I never give up
May 13, 2016 at 10:17 pm
Well here I sit, dunno how this all started or why, it just did. Closer to the truth yet never so far. Some red herrings outed some dogging us as if some bad joke. Sometimes I think there should be a statute of limitations on how long the dep’t of justice has to investigate these things before they’re cut loose to the public for its sake.
The biggest obstacle to resolution here is some people have an agenda. I still believe this was a crime of opportunity that got big in a small town. The heroes that solve this inevitably will be the people from this town. You see … conscience is an itch that needs to scratched. If it’s not, it becomes a rash, then an open wound, then a festering pus disaster that engulfs everything.
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May 14, 2016 at 4:16 am
I liked having a new voice on the case. I felt disappointed yet again in LEs response. The very generic, carefully vetted answers that really didnt reveal much! The lack of info LE will ever share makes this case all the more harder to solve!!
Interesting that they may consider releasing the ATM footage…lets hope thats not just them saying something they actually dont intend to do!
May 14, 2016 at 8:04 am
Sammy, agreed, we’ve been here before. I also agree with John Avellar at JR’s blog who thinks there was nothing about The ATM Video that should’ve prevented its release. If this proves true (really how can we know it’s not edited after the fact unless there’s an obvious jump in the film), it underscores John’s suspicions that, at the least, the state is trying to hide this case to protect its business community, as in “Jaws”. I kinda doubt that, but I can’t deny the possibility.
Raggamuffin, Acid Redux: In case anyone missed the following post, I just dug it up for you guys and for me, the author’s reasoning is conclusive enough that I (we?) can eliminate The Confounded Rag once’t and for all.
Per “The F Troop” post from January.
“David Van Breemen
“May 3, 2016 at 7:37 am
“Long time reader, first time contributor here. But here’s a thought:
“Is it possible we are over analyzing and/or misinterpreting Fred’s statements about the rag in the pipe advice for smoke?
“Is it possible that the car was smoking due to piston ring wear and in fact the rag was used to create back pressure and in a way ‘self-priming’ the engine to start it? I have read some blogs where this is discussed, (recent example: http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/threads/no-start-condition-cover-the-exhaust-with-a-rag-and-it-starts.188959/)
“If the car was suffering low compression or ‘a missing cylinder’ as it was quoted. Then perhaps the rag was a ‘bushman’s mechanic’ way of getting it started?
“Does anyone have any experience with this?
Dave, if you’re reading this, thanks, it has much merit and should be considered. Hey, let’s face it, it’s no more ludicrous then the so-called “Italian Tuneup”. (No I’ve not tried that either.)
So in my mind, I can dump that rag where it belongs: in the garbage.
See … this is all we really can do at this time: eliminate “clues” and out The Red Herrings until things make sense.
Unless … someone out there cares to share something we don’t know? Such as … it’s not sensible but not impossible to pour concrete in the dead of winter in New Hampshire.
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May 14, 2016 at 8:18 am
Whoops, one more curio I caught the other day at JR’s blog. This one probably is an unverifiable distraction and the poster is obviously erring between two Conrads, the ex-cop and Tom Conrad, the latter who was gunned down by Unknown in front of his mother’s house some years back. In any case, this poster needs to be questioned not by LE but another one of us ‘cuz … well, read for yourself:
“May 12, 2016 at 7:39 PM
“I received a PM from someone who lives in the NH area who said that this guy Conrad was gunned down because of what he said regarding the police. I am not making any claims as to the veracity of why he was killed but I didn’t know this murder had taken place.”
It’s been rumored Conrad had done something sexually inappropriate and a community posse decided to pass judgement. I dunno, but there’s never been an answer as to The Why. Just as there are so many other Whys to unsolved missing/murder cases around New England.
May 14, 2016 at 3:07 pm
Im just glad TC is being talked about. I think like D. Towle its a mystery that should be deeply investigated. Even if it has zero to do w/ MM’s vanishing. These two stories have me perplexed. I think if MM was murdered it could all be linked.
May 16, 2016 at 8:03 pm
A Cold Day in May and I’ve got Cabin Fever. Why in Hell hasn’t this ever been looked into? Go look at Renner’s page.
May 17, 2016 at 4:50 am
I was wondering the same thing…..This Cabin could have been her destination…..she wouldnt have needed money thats for sure. I am with you WHY has this never been mentioned before? I wonder if her and her friends have discussed this location?
May 17, 2016 at 7:29 am
This was ruled out in 2004.
May 17, 2016 at 3:05 pm
Just because the “Ruled” it out does not mean anything…..she could have been going there…..even if she did not have a key she could have broken in….I mean I wouldn’t have put anything past her at that time. So I have decided NOT to “rule” it out and I FEEL it should have been mentioned earlier because MAYBE someone out there back then was going to meet her there….MAYBE they hatched some Half Ass Plan!
May 17, 2016 at 6:59 pm
“This was ruled out in 2004.”
I can’t help but think Renner already new this. After all his years of digging i cannot believe that he did not ever come across this bit of info. I have noticed in the recent months he has presented things on his blog as ‘New info’ when in actual fact it’s old and was talked about years ago! This is probably just another attempt to create more traffic to his blog! I have lost a lot of faith in Renner recently, it has all become way too much spin and self promotion for me….
I also can’t help but think once his book is finally out he will simply abandon this case and move onto his next ‘project’. He forgets these are real people, with real families out there, the people at the very heart of the cases he chooses get lost amongst his own agendas!
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May 18, 2016 at 11:17 am
Ruled out the Bethlehem cabin?
May 18, 2016 at 11:28 am
This was looked into way back in 2004.
May 19, 2016 at 8:42 am
After reading your comment @ Renners I have to ask. Are You a local to the area.?
May 16, 2016 at 10:23 pm
MP, which comment are you referring to?
May 17, 2016 at 8:42 am
I see it now, my page wasn’t updated. So weird..
May 17, 2016 at 7:01 pm
On a side not what’s the deal with Jeremy Rathbun?
Legit or story teller? Have any of his claims ever been looked into?
May 18, 2016 at 7:03 am
He is legit….I know him personally.
May 18, 2016 at 9:22 am
So again, searches of the logging road and dam areas were conducted far too late to yield any possible clues on sight?
May 18, 2016 at 12:29 pm
“He is legit….I know him personally”
If only LE had acted on this 12 years ago! Like everything else in this case, it is so much harder 12years later to follow up on these things!
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May 19, 2016 at 6:37 am
John also knows the Warren police officer Rathbun reported this to back then.
What does he think of Rathbun’s claims, John?
May 19, 2016 at 7:22 am
As far as I know Rathbun and the retired warren officer did not see eye to eye. I am not sure where the actual problem lies but I trust that Jeremy is certain about what he found. He also brought Fred there and this info was given to NHSP.
May 19, 2016 at 8:07 am
Swept under the rug, as in that Michigan case I posted about.
May 19, 2016 at 12:16 pm
Isn’t this Rathbun guy, the same guy I was asked NOT to talk about here, when Alex and I were discussing his credibility???
May 19, 2016 at 12:22 pm
John’s only telling half the story here.
B. Flagg, the Warren officer Rathbun reported this to, believed Rathbun’s claims at first, as did Fred Murray allegedly, and they followed-up and searched, but after a while Flagg and Murray both thought the Rathbuns (his wife, who claims to be a psychic, was involved too) were just trying to involve themselves in the case.
As was posted a few months ago here, they have a history of this, and have even both been convicted of falsifying material testimony before. Flagg also didn’t remember any clothing being mentioned in the initial claim, and that’s the most interesting part of his claim.
To say he “is legit” is a little misleading, as the whole thing is completely unverified. I’m not saying they’re lying or making this all up, but saying it was never looked into isn’t entirely genuine.
John, any way you can ask Fred directly what his thoughts on Rathbun’s claims were?
May 19, 2016 at 12:31 pm
Thank you, Alex! Very misleading. By saying “he’s legit” I don’t believe all information is being divulged. This will certainly earn me the unpopular vote, and I’m fine with that, but as far as I can tell, his claims are BS. Especially after reading he & his wife were indicted before a grand jury on charges of perjury, something I found and shared with you, Alex.
I really appreciate you clearing this up.
May 19, 2016 at 4:31 pm
Please see my response to Alex. Thank You.
May 19, 2016 at 12:37 pm
I’d also love to hear what Fred has to say about this. His thoughts on this have the potential to put an end to the discussion on this topic.
May 19, 2016 at 4:30 pm
I said I believe that he is legit bc I feel as far as he and his wife are concerned they did witness something sketchy. I am not saying i am totally on board that MM body is @ Lake Tarleton but I do not think they just inserted themselves in the case for the hell of it.
As far as the court stuff with the Rathbuns…..I think you need to re-verify this info and the best way to do that would be to ask the Rathbuns.
I do not want to be in the middle of this conversation any longer. Please talk to the actual people involved and go from there.
Thank You Everyone concerned about this story. I have to many things going on to deal with this as well.
May 19, 2016 at 4:45 pm
I can only see one comment, where you said “he is legit. I know him personally” so I assumed that was in reference to Rathbun. Perhaps it wasn’t. Once so many comments are here it’s hard to tell what goes to what.
For me, the court issues is as verified as need be since its in Grafton County court documents, the newspaper and the Grafton County court report.
May 19, 2016 at 12:34 pm
Again, I’m not claiming he lied, but the claim was looked into and was dismissed, and supposedly by members of the Murray family as well as the Warren police officer.
May 19, 2016 at 1:30 pm
I can see this as tricky given some of these folks involved know one another … if it were me, if someone was proven (again, see some of the allegations in the case I linked) to have given false testimony, I’d be very wary of them. Plus, it appears Rathbun changed his story. Yes, there’s definitely a credibility problem here.
May 19, 2016 at 4:52 pm
I agree with you, Mac.
May 20, 2016 at 9:27 am
Psychics? Well, there you go.
“Sketchy”? We seemed to have stepped on a nerve here.
J Rathbun was VERY specific. A shirt with “MM” inked on it. Champion socks. A guy acting oddly in a Red Truck with green plates on a logging trail that doubles as a snowmobile trail, in a hunting forest with a “bear barrel” full of a reddish liquid. When his walking group of three or four men got closer, this guy seemed to reach for something in his truck. It could’ve been anything. But Rathbun loaded (sorry) that statement with, “as if reaching for a gun”.
That is pretty explosive stuff. That his wife, conjecture here, added to this story by saying something like, “I feel she is buried somewhere on these grounds” adds fuel to the fire, but you can’t accuse someone of a crime for uttering their opinion, however reasoned.
Sammy, the area around Lake Tarleton and others were searched in Oct 2006 and were led by The NH League of Private Investigators with a canine team.
Link here: http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t13207.htm
Scroll down to the story, “Family of Maura Murray Wants Closure”, dated Monday, October 23, 2006. The entire page is well worth reading.
They weren’t necessarily looking for remains but really belongings. According to the search team, nothing of great consequence turned up but the dogs did get hits. No clothes, anything as that. According to Mr Murray, the search was very thorough and methodical. It also doesn’t mean they had the exact area since nothing turned up. I guess what then transpired is they confronted Rathbun and asked, “You said it was here, correct?” “Yes! Right there.” “Well even if something had been put there two years ago, it’s not there now.” “I don’t know what to say! I know what I know and saw what I saw!”
Rathbun is still pushing this story, even after the rejection by The Murray Family. Inserting himself? Desperate? I think The Podcast Guys should pull in Rathbun and his three buddies along with Bryan Flagg for an interview, as well as Don Nason, the Pi charged with the volunteer search. Throw in The Belands, the folks who run the K9 operation for good measure.
The big question for Rathbun would be, if this guy was so menacing, how in the world did you get close enough to The Red Truck to see the reddish liquid in the barrel? How were you able to see those clothes inside The Red Truck unless you had access to it? Have these clothes ever been recovered? What did the other people with you see? Was there a confrontation or any communication with the driver?
We can take this several ways:
The story is totally false.
The story is partly true but he can’t come to name the person or persons responsible because they’d make his life Hell.
Rathbun is indirectly connected to MM’s disappearance but can’t come 100% clean out of fear. He’s only given some of the facts … just enough to attract interest but not enough for a case.
Rathbun is directly responsible for MM’s disappearance. He acted alone or perhaps with others.
You gotta admit … either way, he’s a loose cannon. Did you see the dick jokes on his FB page? He’s got a thing for the ladies. Nothing criminal in that.
I’ll end with what Kathy said during the time of these searches:
“She was just like me, very trusting,” Carpenter said. “She would go up to a total stranger. That’s how I believe she was taken advantage of. She was too trusting.”
May 18, 2016 at 10:08 am
John, I’ve seen you’ve done a few videos yourself. You’re as close to the case as anyone, why don’t you get some of the first responders and witnesses to talk about what they saw and know? They may be more comfortable doing it that way than through a podcast.
I talked to these people years ago and have tried to get interviews again but some have left and others have denied me the time. ‘Nothing more to say than they did 12 yrs ago.’
May 18, 2016 at 9:50 pm
Wow. I’m sure Mr Murray knows of the following case.
The family of Timothy King, a boy who was abducted and murdered out in Michigan back in The ’70s, has much in common in that they too have had a rough time with the county handling their case, so much so that the State Prosecutor has violated the law in her denying father Barry King his right to a FOi request. (As in The Murray family, the father is predeceased by the mother.) Another commonality is that LE has been quick to discount certain suspects as well as tips over the years. Even the neighboring county that’s also involved is not happy with their neighboring county LE and courts. Just as in The Murray case, it seems there’s some toes best left unstepped upon. It’s helpful to know that both Tim’s sister and father were/are practicing lawyers.
The big reason I’m posting this stuff is I’m of the belief that it’s possible Maura may have been “passed around” by perps for a time following her disappearance. Obviously I’ve no proof of this, I’m just inserting this to fit the Hillsboro sighting and perhaps others. In the Michigan case, it’s clear there was a well-organizing sex trafficking ring at work. What about in NH?
Father’s Blog: http://afathersstory-occk.com/page/5
Sister’s Blog: https://catherinebroad.wordpress.com/2015/02/22/disgust
You have to admire Tim’s sister, Catherine Broad. She’s mad and she’s swinging back, hard. Tim’s father, Barry, is no slouch either but he too shows the same sort of frustration his daughter has and has taken his contempt for the Justice Dep’t online. They’re hoping if they squeeze hard enough, that boil of a case will pop with answers. Slowly, they’re coming.
Back to the cabin. Who knows? I don’t doubt anything outright. Not terribly likely, for the following reasons:
Distance from crash site.
Would certainly involve a tandem driver. Here’s where Rt93 would have to come in.
While it’s clear MM wouldn’t be below securing a key without University approval, it would involve an accomplice. It’s also possible she would’ve known the code to access the fastbox to the key.
BUT … this “new” development (what ELSE is out there that’s been covered we’ve not known?) does beg questions, as in, who else might be interested going up there with her who likely was from school? Who else has gone on record as to remove MM from the crash scene? I can think of three people offhand: Coach, RF, and JW.
“She said on more than one occasion she wanted to disappear.” Really? Now that’s she’s gone, that’s a mighty convenient (and unverifiable) thing to vouch. Beware of statements that are utterly unverifiable – they may reroute an agenda.
Kinda similar to: “I saw someone running in the road in dark clothing some six miles east of the accident.” This person said this after two prior interviews, one month later.
Butch may have aided and abetted her more than he was letting on as I discussed earlier and is only hearsay for reference.
Then there’s Rathbun, a “legit” source who’s been accused of lying in the past. His story makes it seem MM was ambushed by someone in the family. Uhhh … OK. There’s lots of pickup trucks up there … some may even be red!
What say you?
May 19, 2016 at 8:18 am
Hmmm … JR has yet to post my comment under “Breaking News”, a rebuttal to “Did anyone turn this (cabin) info into LE?”
I said, “This info was ruled out in 2004.”
One wonders if he did know this prior but on the surface it seems he didn’t.
May 20, 2016 at 11:06 pm
He did allow Teresa Moggs to post that question today. It should be out there that the cabin was investigated.
May 21, 2016 at 7:41 am
The cabin was investigated way back in 2004 and 2005. I went there in 2005 and checked it out.
May 23, 2016 at 12:04 pm
I was shocked he posted my comment! After I read on here that your comment wasn’t posted, I decided to give it a try…. It took a few days, but he did post it.
May 24, 2016 at 2:30 pm
I just posted on his blog the difficulty I had getting his book at a book store 20 minutes away from Maura’s hometown and the fact that they were only putting out one copy at a time…. THAT comment was posted within minutes!!!! Lol, funny how that happens.
May 24, 2016 at 3:31 pm
One copy at a time….??
May 24, 2016 at 5:04 pm
Yes! They were putting his book out one copy at a time! It wasn’t on the big tables with new releases, it wasn’t even on the end cap near true crime, it wasn’t even facing out on the shelf! I had to ask for a copy…. Keep in mind, this is (I’m 99% sure of this fact) the closest large bookstore from Hanson. It is in Hingham, I know when I lived in Whitman, I went to this bookstore whenever I wanted to buy books. It was VERY ODD!
May 24, 2016 at 5:17 pm
Yes indeed….That is very strange for sure. Hmmmmm
May 24, 2016 at 8:14 pm
Well at this point no matter where you stand with a book being published just hope this promotes the case and helps close this damned thing.
May 25, 2016 at 6:53 am
I don’t know how much the book will promote the case but it sure will defame most of the characters in the book.
May 25, 2016 at 9:13 am
You know what I find really odd? Theresa found a book store.
May 25, 2016 at 1:11 pm
What does this mean..?
May 26, 2016 at 12:08 am
I’m not sure what you mean by this…. I could just be tired or hormonal, but this seems like an undeserved slam. If you feel it is a deserved slam, please explain, if not a slam, please explain what you are referring to…. Thanks
May 26, 2016 at 7:42 am
I think Mac may simply be commenting on the difficulty of locating a brick-and-mortar bookstore in this day and age, The Amazon Age.
May 26, 2016 at 11:08 am
Huh? This has been a running bad joke since Borders 86’d a few years back. Chill, people!
Theresa, I’m curious now. Call them back and find out why this book seemed buried. Usually new books get their own displays, however through promotion, and are very prominent.
I wonder what purpose this is supposed to serve?
May 26, 2016 at 3:20 pm
Thanks for explaining, I get it now… I read it a few times and I could only read it kind of as a dumb blonde joke… Like I don’t read, to stupid to find things…. I tried to come up with another meaning and at midnight, after a long day…. I just couldn’t. 🤔 Maybe I am a dumb blonde sometimes, so I’m a little slow and sensitive on the topic. Lol
May 26, 2016 at 3:37 pm
May 26, 2016 at 6:24 pm
‘has OK. I have brown eyes and y’know the joke there!
In the meantime, I’ve been working on a post for the past coupla nights. Just more of the same to chew on. It is very long but worth your time. Hell … we’ve burned THIS much time …
I am including a link at the end of an excerpt of a book that was funded by Kickstarter on The Oklahoma County Child Killer Case from The ’70s. It is very disturbing and graphic, but I find it important and relevant enough to post here as I’ve found some parallels between this case and that. I think looking at other cases, this one in particular, is worthwhile as it could explain why requests for certain materials in the Maura Murray case have been refused.
The difference between the two cases is in that case, the affected families, after having dug for clues for years once they realized NOTHING was being accomplished on the state end, got a break. Finally … an old neighbor they hadn’t seen in over 30 years came in from the cold with The Tip and shared with them a mind-blowing piece of information that would break their hearts and their trust in the Justice Dep’t, but not their resolve to tackle the case head-on.
May 25, 2016 at 10:11 am
Theresa i also went to derby st in hingham for the book and i couldn’t get it
maybe the publisher only made about 50 copies. Smart move..!
May 26, 2016 at 12:18 am
It took me about 20 minutes and I had to deal with 4 different people. I could understand this in other areas of the country, but this store is the largest bookstore in the area where Maura grew up. Granted, there is another store in Braintree, about the same distance, but then you have to deal with the Braintree split…. Ugg!
I read the epilogue, and the first couple chapters…. Then I did errands, cleaned my Jeep (Yeah, John, you saw my Jeep, clearly keeping it clean is not a priority! But cleaning it was more interesting than the book) I have never thought that his book would be the “holy grail” of this case. But I do appreciate his blog, without it, there would be no podcast, without the podcast not as many people would know about the case. I truly believe John will solve this case, I predicted the week before the release of the book, I was wrong, but I do think there will be a huge break in this case soon.
May 26, 2016 at 7:35 am
Well…..the book was good for something Theresa…….@ least Ya got the jeep cleaned. LOL
May 26, 2016 at 8:58 am
EXACTLY!!! I would have just “liked” your comment, but I don’t have a WordPress account…. Lol, the struggle is real.
May 25, 2016 at 7:47 pm
John i know you’re working on 87,000 things all at once but im going thru withdrawals from your posts/podcasts etc. 😦
May 25, 2016 at 7:56 pm
Sorry….very busy working on some other things. Soon I hope.
May 25, 2016 at 9:05 pm
Please enjoy these microfilm captures in the meantime:
May 26, 2016 at 11:13 am
Boots on the ground!
Maybe this will answer one of my “Butch” questions. Terrific job. Will take a while to absorb this. Look at the links at right, too.
May 26, 2016 at 11:56 pm
More captures have been added, sir.
May 27, 2016 at 9:00 am
Awesome. I just Googled that route and he probably took 302W, roughly an hour 1/2+. I can’t reroute that via 112, old browser. So … doubtful.
But it was worth a try. Perhaps only the bus company would know what likely route he took and how long it would’ve taken to unload the kids. If he did pass the accident twice, that would add questions.
May 27, 2016 at 9:09 am
He did not pass the Saturn twice. He was coming from dropping the kids off at the school in Haverhill.
May 27, 2016 at 9:19 am
Well, enough of this. It’s Memorial Day Weekend, out of the dark and into the light. Grill and thrill! Enjoy.
May 26, 2016 at 11:26 pm
Long one ahead … it’s a comparison of this and another case in which I find alarming similarities. That doesn’t mean whatever went down in NH matches what follows. What we’ve been tailing could’ve been a nasty outcome of opportunity by a lone wolf.
“… I do think there will be a huge break in this case soon.”
I doubt that. I’m being a realist. I don’t care who solves it, that’s wildly unimportant, just that it’s solved. I appreciate all who have spent time, coin and reputation working on this outside of official capacities.
Some of the big reasons I referenced that Michigan case from The ’70s here, The Oakland County Child Killer/The Babysitter Case, is that in addition to certain similarities, that case was broken wide open in 2005 when a polygrapher chirped unknowningly to an old ex-neighbor of one the victims’ families. That person then informed that surviving family that his source polygraphed one particular suspect very early on, in fact BEFORE that family’s child had been abducted. The polygrapher didn’t name names, but he gave very telling clues: that the suspect was “the son of a ViP at GM” and that the attorney representing the suspect at the time was “now deceased”. The family put it all together and very quickly came up with a name. In some states it seems that one CAN get the name of a polygraphed suspect but only the name.
The result? When confronted about breaching client confidentiality, the source naturally denied sharing this information. He’s been in legal hot water ever since. But that little professional indiscretion worked out to the investigating families’ benefit: people not only started talking, it revealed a massive coverup that connected other cases to it.
What coverup? How about this: For nearly 40 years, the state of Michigan maintained that the suspect was cleared and released when questioned back in January 1977. In 2010, the state officially removed his name from the suspect list. There’s one problem with this: the source said in fact the suspect had NOT passed his polygraph test. The result was changed by person/persons unknown to “passed”. Within weeks of his release, two more young bodies turned up. Why was the suspect released, really? The suspicion is because the suspect’s father was a bigwig at GM and GM didn’t need the embarrassment. GM is a big tax payer … well, before the bailout anyway.
Before you say this is textbook tinfoil hat stuff, people have come forward claiming to see the mother of the suspect pay off kids in the hood this guy allegedly abused. Follow the money. Just the other day, a commentator at a blog devoted to The Babysitter Case claimed an exec from CHRYSLER confided to her father in his shop before the last murder that he heard who was committing the murders. The same person.
What of that suspect? Dead. “Suicide”. Oh, no blood, no gun powder on the hands from the “self-inflicted” gunshot wound. The case was closed down the following month unsolved with no named suspects. No more murders either. I guess the cops got their man. Cops? Sure, why not? The suspect’s “suicide” was never seriously investigated. Why? One can easily draw conclusions.
Despite pleas from the victims’ families, many FOiA requests have been denied. Compromises cases, we know. Does all this sound familiar?
Not that any of this will help close that case. In fact, as I stated above, the Prosecuting Attorney has since struck that suspect from the list of top contenders despite strong circumstantial evidence from multiple sources over 40 years. Why? This person was connected however superficially to a large sex trafficking ring that operated largely on two small islands on Lake Michigan. This ring also may have had a prominent senator involved as well. So if true, we can see why that investigation has gone nowhere. Again, if you think this ventures into Internetland, there are similar cases to this one. Yes, when we attach “conspiracy theory” to something, particularly crime, we wince and dismiss. But isn’t crime by its very nature a conspiracy of individuals to victimize others? Isn’t The Mafia a classic conspiracy of wiseguys? So is trafficking in its myriad of trades a conspiracy? Each and every one. They are designed to be difficult to crack. Here’s the money, now shut up. I know where you live, now shut up. You saw what happened to Conrad, now shut the F up. Follow the money. Follow the chatter. Follow your gut.
Why is it in some sex trafficking and child abuse cases that lead to an important figure, the charges are either dropped, ignored or the perps get a slap on the wrist? Look at the cases of Jeffrey Epstein, Dennis Hastert, Larry King (no relation), Sandusky. That’s why I think this angle should be explored more deeply in Maura’s case. Yes … New Hampshire is a big emerald opportunity to Hide Things. It also has potential for these creeps to operate under the canopy of a vast wilderness. Heck, even the county recognizes this is a problem. It’s just going to be damn near impossible to discover any of the “influential” figures who may be involved.
But let’s dig a little deeper into that notion. We know that Grafton County has acknowledged there’s some sex trafficking activity because of minutes posted online. How are they coming to that conclusion? What does the county know that’s not discussed in those minutes? Is it because there is/are continuing open investigations into such? Are there closed ones that the public can access? How and where?
Oh … one more thing. Isn’t it interesting that in The Oakland County Child Killer/The Babysitter Case there’s circumstantial evidence pointing to vigilanteism? We can’t be absolutely sure of this, but there’s enough evidence to suggest that cops doing their jobs who got too close suddenly mysteriously died of “suicide”. Go look at that case yourself. Suspected perps AND LE died under mysterious circumstances during and after the early days of the investigation. Intrigued? I sure am! So are the victims’ families.
So, why is it Tommy Conrad was blown clean out of his shoes that day? Why and by whom? Did he know something? Does LE have their own suspicions of Conrad and/or his assailants? I think the questions lead us to some conclusions: What of his death and several others in more recent years? Why haven’t these crimes or unfortunate happenstances not been solved? Is it possible someone doesn’t want the truth to get out?
In the end, the families of that old cold case have come to realize that in their situation they can no longer wait and have hit the fray themselves, hoping someone will let go of whatever information they can offer. They’re investigating the case themselves on their own dime and time. The suspects? Most are dead or in prison already for similar crimes, so some justice. But I doubt these families will ever, ever, get the official word from the state that their kids were killed by _______ ____.
My opinion? If the Maura Murray disappearance was a crime, someone within the state government may talk. Eventually. Perhaps someone already has.
Lastly … don’t buy the official word. It may not be true.
Link, “37 Winters” by J Reuben Appelman: https://medium.com/@J.Reuben.Appelman/blood-semen-saliva-prints-3fdab84c73d7#.5k9rgk2su
FAIR WARNING: This is extremely disturbing text that includes violence against children. The text is the result of findings by the author and the conclusions are solely his.
May 27, 2016 at 9:16 am
Coda: So I just read how one of the victim’s fathers, Barry King, got notice in 2008 that the suspect’s polygraph tests were “at best” inconclusive and that three polygraphers reviewed the sessions and concluded that the suspect was not truthful.
Enter L Brooks Patterson, then Michigan State Prosecutor, current County Executive, whatever that is. At some point he approached Mr King and told him to back off. I don’t know if Mr King was threatened, but Patterson should remember that Mr King wasn’t caught in a DUi. Yet Mr King is not a model citizen for looking into the investigation of the death of his son.
So you see, not all departments of law are the same. Some are good and uphold the law, others not so much.
June 14, 2016 at 10:50 am
I was hoping someone (perhaps my man Alex C?) could clear something up for me regarding the coordinates mentioned on another blog….
What’s the “best” approach to Desolation trail?
(I suppose it depends on whether a person is looking for the best “short but steep” approach or is willing to go a longer distance over more forgiving ground.)
But is it from the East using the Carrigain Trail or Nancy Pond trail to hook up?
Or from the West using Wilderness Trail along the Pemi? (I noticed it also looks like there’s a Class IV-V-V1 road running parallel to the trail on the opposite side of the Pemi up to Franconia Falls from 112.)
I only mentioned these because the steep stuff (Signal Mountain, Vose Spur) certainly seems like avoiding unless you’re really into it. The pictures of Desolation Trail alone look pretty tough by themselves. (As far as I know the elevation of the coordinates is ~3000 feet(?) — not to the summit.)
Could this be a day trip?
Or is an overnighter the only way?
Thanks for all of your thoughts.
June 16, 2016 at 9:59 pm
The best approach is through Carrigain Notch from Sawyer River Road. Starting on the Signal Ridge Trail, then Carrigain Notch Trail, and finally the Desolation Trail. It’s about 14-mile trip (round trip) and would be a day trip.
I’ve hiked Carrigain, but not from the Desolation side. I hear sections of that trail are pretty steep and are tiring. Using a topographic map, however it seems “the coordinates” may be before the steepest parts. This trip may be in the cards in the near future, but I’m horribly out of shape.
June 17, 2016 at 5:07 am
You two oughta go together. I’m not in shape either, but I’d do it if I lived nearby.
Alex, what do you make of that open car loan Renner wrote about? He reminded me of it in a new podcast. I just posted an inquiry on Reddit in more detail.
It’s a creepy clue. One, it IS her. Two, someone has her credit card and falsely used it to open a loan. Talk about irony.
June 17, 2016 at 6:21 am
I don’t really give it much thought, to be honest, and the original post is sparse on any detail. I have a feeling the answer there is more mundane than it appears on the surface. But who knows.
June 17, 2016 at 5:03 am
Boots: You’ve probably seen the stuff on Renner’s blog, hence your interest. You know the responsible way to go about this. Nah, I don’t buy the perceived threats there’s a trap out there, as in a Viet Cong-style punji stake pit dug in the ground. Nonsense.
BUT if there is anything out there, which I doubt, I’d look for a letterbox game. You’ve heard of it, right? Someone leaves something for another person to find. Under a rock, in a tree. Perhaps a possession.
Because I’m the Forever Optimist, perhaps, just perhaps, SHE left something there for someone to find. Makes sense, she may have hiked that area years ago since one of those campgrounds is just south of there.
June 17, 2016 at 2:42 pm
Agreed. I really don’t think there’s anything to be afraid of besides exhaustion. The thought of something tangible, however slim, is interesting though.
The thought of getting all the way up there and being like “Now what?” is what holds me back the most.
My legs are strong but I’m certain that my personal cardiovascular shortcomings would eventually come into play and I’d really hate to flake out after getting underway.
June 16, 2016 at 9:28 pm
Is it safe to assume that this blog is OVER? It has been well over a month without new blogs……I am bummed!
June 17, 2016 at 4:57 am
Nah, John’s taking a breather. Me, I would’ve pulled the trigger years ago ‘cuz this mystery makes my head hurt. Add a few malcontents …
Yeah. I couldn’t do this to the degree he has. Kudos.
July 11, 2016 at 6:42 pm
Is this blog over? Because all I see is John bitching on Twitter about Armchair Detective…..if you ask me he is putting too much energy into this asshole!
July 11, 2016 at 7:20 pm
Once you have been accused of murder it changes everything.
July 12, 2016 at 7:49 am
No… This blog is not over. Waiting on information to post my next thread
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