3-15-16
My family and I will forever be thankful for the kindness and support of all compassionate people from around the world for these many years now. You’ve helped us struggle through some trying times more than you could ever know. Not everybody is as decent as you are however, so this is to provide you with some insight as to the base level to which a rank opportunist can sink. I’ve never responded to any of this type of fiction before because you don’t
need to defend yourself when you’ve done nothing wrong but this particular aspersion is just way over anybody’s edge.
I’ve recently been shown two very early comments by the author of a blog about my daughter, Maura, that represent the most insidious and reprehensible tactic that I can possibly imagine. This is from November 3, 2011, “she came to his single bed motel at 2:30 in the morning,” and was reinforced on March 19, 2012, with “sleeps in the bed.” Again, the bed reference is singular, indicating two people in one bed. The insinuation here is one hundred percent clear and could be interpreted as an obvious ploy by the blogger to create a scenario in which the reader can be influenced and encouraged to envision something unspeakably horrible. To contrive an allusion to the worst thing that a person could possibly be accused of in the history of mankind is beyond despicable. Is the blogger trying to create a sinister character to embellish the “narrative” he hopes to peddle? Is he attempting to shape his “story” toward the direction he wants it to go for promotional purpose? Mark Twain used to agonize for hours over the inclusion or exclusion of a
single word because of its powerful effect on the image he was building. The reality is that this canard is manufactured and is unreservedly false. The motel in question is still there and would be very easy to check if you were interested in getting this right. There were two beds in each room in the old section in 2004 and staff has attested to this. There still are as nothing has changed since and I can even provide the actual room number. The blogger was in Hadley, Massachusetts, and should know this, so to misrepresent this fact appears to be haphazard research at best or an intentional ruse at worst. If you had to bet your last dollar on this, which would you pick? Remember now, he isn’t just talking about me here but also my daughter. If he can find it within himself to promote something like this, then absolutely anything else wouldn’t need even a second thought. He is only limited by the bounds of imagination concerning how he chooses to dupe his unsuspecting readers. These immortal lines from the Army-McCarthy hearings in 1954, “I think I have never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness,” and “Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?” are as apt here as they were there.
What kind of “journalism” would you call this? Can it even be called journalism? Could this be a vindictively designed retribution for noncooperation? What kind of publisher would print this? What a black eye to a once proud profession a guy like this is.
If my daughter could be here with me today she would ask, “Dad, are you just going to let this creep get away with that?” If he made this allegation to anyone who actually knows me they
most likely would laugh in his face and call him a really special kind of punk. Anecdotal
contributions from the community on this matter include such phrases as “two minutes in a phone booth with this puke,” and “whack him in his fork tongued mouth” which seem to indicate the locally pervasive public sentiment.
The inaccuracies throughout are too numerous to detail here but to show that this “style” is no accident I direct you to the “What we have learned so far” section of the blog. There are five references to me and each one is false, inaccurate, and orchestrated to distort and deceive in how it relates to me personally and can be readily discredited. One is a particularly easily demonstrable example of an attempt to mislead. You don’t have to be overly sharp to find a clear indication of this in Maura’s phone records for Saturday, February 7th, 2004, which he carelessly presented on his blog on Sunday, January 11, 2015, thus undercutting the main bulwark of his own position concerning our not looking for a used car. The Reliance Auto Sales call at 4:13 p.m. refutes his stance on there being no evidence of this search. I also hold unassailable tangible proof obtained that day from there and elsewhere for support.
This would all be absolutely laughable and quickly forgettable if it weren’t so perversely
sneaky and rampantly full of ill intended innuendo. Can you agree with me that exploitively
misusing someone’s missing daughter as the means toward enhancing your hoped for
professional advancement is reminiscent of Glen Campbell’s lyrics, “there’s been a load of
compromisin’ on the road to my horizon?”
It seems you folks are being led through a carefully crafted tale with me as its intended foil. It appears as if the blogger could be redeploying a form of the infamous “Big Lie Theory” which postulates that if you tell a big enough lie, and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed. This is from Mein Kamph, “and thus, in the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more readily fall victims to the big lie rather than the small one.” This scheme reveals his insultingly abysmal regard for the reasoning capacity he arrogantly estimates his targeted audience to possess. The
motivation, well, let’s all take a wild guess. Maybe this devious exercise will be enough for this literary tomato can to get his old job back at that lightweight tabloid in Cleveland.
Fred
P.S. I’ve included a reference to a critique of a previous performance by this fellow for your perusal.
http://renneriswrong.blogspot.com/2008/11/defense.html
Something to consider: Excerpt from
Society of Professional Journalists – Code of Ethics
– Code of Ethics
-Minimize Harm
Ethical journalism treats sources, subjects, colleagues and members of the public as human beings deserving of respect.
Journalists should:
– Balance the public’s need for information against potential harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance or undue intrusiveness.
– Show compassion for those who may be affected by news coverage. Use heightened sensitivity when dealing with juveniles, victims of sex crimes, and sources or subjects who are inexperienced or unable to give consent. Consider cultural differences in approach and treatment.
– Recognize that legal access to information differs from an ethical justification to publish or broadcast.
– Realize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than public figures and others who seek power, influence or attention. Weigh the consequences of publishing or broadcasting personal information.
– Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity, even if others do.
– Balance a suspect’s right to a fair trial with the public’s right to know. Consider the implications of identifying criminal suspects before they face legal charges.
– Consider the long-term implications of the extended reach and permanence of publication.
-Provide updated and more complete information as appropriate.
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
March 15, 2016 at 8:10 pm
The page to the blog post referred to is gone. That’s a coward for you. Fred needs not explain to anyone. Everyone knows what was written was written for one purpose. Money. Rennet is a cowardly, piece of shit.
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March 15, 2016 at 9:06 pm
Sorry…Rennet, not Rennet. Spell check. Hate it sometimes. There are many who care, Fred. But for the grace of God…
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March 15, 2016 at 9:07 pm
Good Lord..Renner!
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March 15, 2016 at 8:38 pm
I’m sorry you are going through all of this, and if it means anything, most of us know that you and your family are hurting more than anyone, and it isn’t your fault that this terrible event happened. Most of us nosy onlookers just want to know what happened to Maura. I pray you find the answer. I do care. Many people do.
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March 15, 2016 at 8:42 pm
Your avatar is familiar …
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March 16, 2016 at 10:00 am
Hmmmmmm.
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March 15, 2016 at 9:46 pm
I’m really pleased Fred decided to address this bs. Renner is motivated by money and now that his book has gone to print and is awaiting release, it seems as if he’s trying to spin things to fit his theory, because there’s no going back now. If information came out that contradicts the information in his book, I imagine he stands to take a hit, money wise.
Journalists have a code of ethics, but you know who else should have a code of ethics? Humans. Fred & the entire Murray family have been through enough, without Renners thoughtless insinuations.
If you can’t help someone, the LEAST you can do, as an ethical human with morals, is NOT harm them! Shame on Renner & anyone who buys his trash.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:47 am
Well said Sara………Thank You for commenting.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:11 am
Thanks John!
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March 16, 2016 at 9:20 am
Welcome Sara
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March 20, 2016 at 6:09 pm
Just curious, is this THE Sara Alfieri?
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March 20, 2016 at 6:15 pm
No not Sarah A
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March 15, 2016 at 10:22 pm
I appreciate the legwork Mr. Renner has done as far as gathering information and keeping it accessible (documents, reports, etc. on his site) and bringing some stuff to light, but there was a definite shift in the tone of his blog, and now it’s a smear campaign, with nothing unbiased about it.
I also greatly dislike that he won’t allow certain critical, but completely civil comments through, while he does stuff like this:
“Mike Ann – March 13, 2016 at 4:42 PM
fred is son of a bitch,,, it’s just a small while until everything is discovered,”
What is the value in that sort of commentary?
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March 15, 2016 at 10:34 pm
I have often wondered what caused the shift. Is it just a “he doesn’t like me, so I don’t like him” kind of thing? Is it because Fred wasn’t interested in talking to him? It’s strange to me, and I don’t understand why he’d want to cause anymore upset for the Murrays.
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March 17, 2016 at 11:17 am
“What is the value in that sort of commentary?”
To enflame a board and senses.
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March 15, 2016 at 11:11 pm
I’m posting another link to the info Fred posted above that I hope will work: http://renneriswrong.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=6 . I was able to red the posts and the comments, they can be accessed by clicking the archives links on the right of the page; the comments were especially enlightening. He did the same thing back then with that case. It seems to me to be all for the purpose of creating hype in order to increase book sales. It’s shameful and infuriating. I have never commented on any of his blogs, and have found it difficult to read most of what he posts there due to his bent for disparaging this poor family. Watching them on the various documentaries, reading about them in the Conway and Soco articles, and elsewhere shows me they are the victims of a horror only a few can really know about, normal people trying to navigate so many travesties and obstacles, and my heart truly goes out to them. I pray every day for a truthful answer about where Maura is and what happened to be revealed to them. Thank you Fred for this post, it is most perfectly and eloquently said, and I believe every word of it. But as “None” said above, you need not explain anything. No one can possibly know or understand anything unless they’ve walked in your shoes a long while…
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March 16, 2016 at 7:56 am
Wait a Minute. Fred mis quoted Renner
Fred quotes Renner as saying”she came to his single bed motel at 2:30 in the morning,”
Renners actual quote:
“why on earth she came to his motel room at 2:30 in the morning and stayed through the night.”
There is nothing there about a single bed
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March 16, 2016 at 8:37 am
I looked into this after you brought this up Rider, as I like to have my quotes etc. straight.
Renner edited the “single bed” part out of that post. It was there, but is no longer. Him stating “single bed” is mentioned and quoted in the comments in that particular post. Also, if one were to Google:
“Maura Murray she came to his single bed motel at 2:30 in the morning” (without quotes) the second result is the “Probability” post at Renner’s, if you look at the Google preview of it you can see it once said, “They are found in the car she was driving when she disappeared. … on earth she came to his single-bed motel room at 2:30 in the morning and stayed through the night.”
It is no longer in the post on his page, but that little piece remains on the Google preview regardless.
Also, in the second comment I think the implication is pretty clearly there as well.
Does this mean much? Not really, but I still don’t like the way he does business. I should also note I am in no camp at all, other than the one trying to find out what really happened that night.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:45 am
Alex: Agreed. That he considered posting it and in fact did but retracted it is telling. Very disappointed.
I followed what happened on FB. I copied much of it and posted it under the March 10th post. Tell me what you think. I dunno.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:51 am
He did more than consider posting it Mac. Just not sure when he decided to edit that out.
I’m not sure to make of the “discussion” on Facebook the other day. That was very odd and I’m looking into that further.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:58 am
Alex: Rathblun’s claim does jibe with LE’s repossession of evidence. Since we don’t have precise times, that does not make it fact.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:04 am
Alex can you explain? I don’t do facebook
“I’m not sure to make of the “discussion” on Facebook the other day. That was very odd and I’m looking into that further.”
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March 16, 2016 at 10:09 am
I will try to summarize the Facebook claim (which is ongoing Mac, some new posts just went up moments ago).
An individual went on the Maura Murray Facebook group (run by Helena) and made a claim that someone found clothes that may have been Maura’s (navy blue sweatshirt with ‘MM’ in permanent marker on the tag, Champion socks, etc.) near a trail in Warren, NH, and a red truck was nearby, and the driver was acting oddly (refusing to make eye contact, feigning like reaching for a gun when approached, etc.). These clothes were also found in the area of a “bear barrel” with reddish brown liquid in it. Supposedly these items were reported to the local police, along with the plate number for the truck (MA plates with green numbers, according to him), but this was never properly followed up on, according to this person.
When asked about this claim (as I heard never heard anything about this) the person deleted the initial comment (which I had already saved), then feigned like he had only been referring to the items found in the car.
As I tend to do, I pressed the issue because it was clear some sidestepping was happening. The person then told me the majority of their account as they believe it. Though parts of it are unverified and unclear to me.
They believe it really was Maura’s clothes found (and Fred stated she did that to most of her sweatshirts). They later stated it was they themselves that found clothes and that there were 3 other witnesses. They told this to Fred, and later searched the area with him personally. I also found an article that mentions an area in Warren being searched with K-9 units in October of ’06, but turning nothing up:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t13207.htm
“Late Sunday afternoon, Nason said the K-9 teams had several hits, but nothing that would warrant forwarding to state police. An area near a dam and a snowmobile corridor in Warren also was searched, he said, but nothing was found and it did not look promising.”
They believe the owner of the red truck to have been TC.
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March 17, 2016 at 11:48 am
“I will try to summarize the Facebook claim …”
Alex: Read this particular comment thoroughly last night. I missed all that detail you recount here. WOW. Bombshell and does seem legit.
Thoughts …
1) Maura Murray is most certainly no longer a missing person and hasn’t been since June 2004.
If Rathbun’s statements are true, and John says it was looked into, we can assume with near 100% probability that Maura is dead.
2) This is a recovery mission.
Whatever went down that logging road in late May/early June 2004 seems to have been verified by the family. Fred personally searched that area, though nothing more came of it.
3) The clothes were hers.
This is the verification by the family. Where are they now?
4) Entitlement.
I’m noting two stories here. One, we’re not entitled to know everything, which is absolutely true, as it can and most certainly poison the chance for a conviction, which this case seems steering towards, with a major caveat. More on that below.
Two, WHY has this information, if it’s not a leak, not been shared? To continue endless speculative discussion? I have found a very incomplete version of this potential evidence here, sixth comment down:
http://uaddit.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=15463
Note it doesn’t mention the clothes whatsoever, only that a Red Truck owned by someone in the family was seen in Warren, NH.
5) K9 dogs searched the logging road and dam areas in Warren, NH in October 2006.
More than two years after the claimed discovery. The dogs got hits but nothing of value was deemed worthy to the state. Really?!? What did the dogs find?
6) TC?
Thomas Conrad or … Tim Carpenter? What was it Lori Bruno said on the podcast? “Kathleen knows?”
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March 17, 2016 at 12:25 pm
Mac, I asked about that Uaddit post, as that’s one of the few references to Warren I’ve seen in this case. Rathbun stated it wasn’t him who wrote that comment, but that he can verify everything said in it.
As far as why this is coming out now; He stated that he reported this to the Warren police officer and 2 Fish and Game officers, but it wasn’t properly followed up on. He also stated on Facebook (in on of the posts that went up you mentioned it, Mac):
“And just so EVERYONE knows YES, I am afraid of the New Hampshire Police as they are corrupt and dirty as they want to be…..if they want you to be quiet…they will make you!”
He also stated to me that he thought the K-9 searches were conducted in the wrong area.
TC is not Conrad.
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March 17, 2016 at 12:50 pm
“Mac, I asked about that Uaddit post …”
Alex: WOW. DOUBLE-WOW. I was thinking Conrad after I read your post last night and went to bed. This morning I woke up to – Tim Carpenter! Then I came here earlier, and nothing more.
What do YOU think? This is just … incredible!!!
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March 17, 2016 at 4:31 pm
Mac, to be honest I don’t know what to make of it. Mr. Rathbun is very convinced it’s the answer. If true, it jumps very high up my list, as it connects a lot of dots. It’s still not at the very top of my list though, but I’d be interested in having more of his claim verified.
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March 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm
Mac, I’m acquaintances with the Warren officer in question, John knows him too, so I asked him what he thought of the claims made. He doesn’t think there was much to these claims. He also seemed to think that, after they initially looked into it and investigated some of the area they were directed to, Fred also didn’t put much stock in it either.
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March 17, 2016 at 7:13 pm
“He doesn’t think there was much to these claims.”
Which corroborates John’s frustration.
So, no clothes, barrel, Truck?
The thing that’s going for Rathblun’s claim is that around that time LE requested items back from the family. Coincidence?
Or … is someone purposely trying to steer the ship?
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March 17, 2016 at 7:19 pm
“It’s still not at the very top of my list though, but I’d be interested in having more of his claim verified.”
Absolutely. “Cousin”. Was Rathbun talking to Hebert about getting him and his cousin to look into this? You?
All it would take is members of these witnesses he claims to come forward and produce whatever evidence they have.
Does anyone know why the police didn’t take much stock in this?
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March 16, 2016 at 10:03 am
sorry y’all Ive been in IslandTime. What is the FB post/page you refer too?
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March 16, 2016 at 1:34 pm
MJ and Rider: I summarized it under the March 10th post here. Scroll to bottom.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:00 am
Don’t get me wrong
I don’t agree with alot of things Renners posts etc… but lets get the quotes straight.
Also, I am very sympathetic towards Fred , but if would have come forward with his story early on then much of speculation could have been put to rest. renner was slammed right from the start. Things might have and could have been different.
Message to Fred: Do the podcast and answer questions to once and for all straighten things out so energy can be re focused.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:37 pm
Fred doesn’t need to answer your questions. This is not about satisfying your curiosity and it’s not about Fred. It’s about correcting a nasty insinuation made by Renner.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:03 am
Also,
“sleeps in the bed”
Renner doesn’t say sleeps in his bed. She slept in the bed. She didn’t sleep in a chair,floor or bathtub.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:04 am
Again
I am not in Renners camp but lets set the record straight.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:31 am
“Again
I am not in Renners camp but let’s set the record straight.”
I understand Fred didn’t get the words straight, however, the insinuation is still there, and wasn’t that the purpose of putting that kind of idea forward? I think so. He wanted to raise suspicion in other’s minds. This is not the first of this type of thing he’s written, as seen in the “Renner is Wrong”.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:45 pm
I remember that post. When I read it on Renner’s blog awhile back, that’s exactly the impression I got. That Renner was making a nasty insinuation with his single bed comment.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:34 am
Correct all around.
However, there’s no room for animosity or “creative license” in an active missing person’s case. If a case is to be solved, the truth must be pursued from Day One.
No, I don’t agree with some of the posts and comments made over there either, mostly the punks who sign off as “Anonymous”.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:54 am
There were many posters that were bringing up the single bed issue and everything that gets discussed seems to be blamed on Renner.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:55 am
Because Renner starts it.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:02 am
I know renner has it out for Fred,
but again, Fred should have come forward from the start
or at least earlier.
I realize he has no obligation to do so but this was inevitable.None of those conversations would have taken place if Freds point of view was offered before hand.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:17 am
Posters brought it up because Renner said it.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:25 am
CORRECT……..IF Renner had never said it we would not be having the discussion.
But that horse has left the gate and fortunately those things that he erased were saved long ago.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:10 am
The same goes for Smith Williams and Moynahan
If they came forward with what happened then that would clear things up and you wouldn’t be reading speculation.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:11 am
It WAS there. The fact that he edited it out, speaks for itself. Loud & clear in my mind. Thank you Alex for setting it straight.
As for asking Fred to do the podcast? This man owes nothing to anyone, but Maura. Not to us, not to Renner, not to anyone! But let’s say for a second, that he does the podcast. Ok, so guess what will happen after he does it. People will find things to pick apart in his statements/answers on the podcast, too. Its clear, some people are never satisfied with his answers. It’s a never ending cycle.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:20 am
Some of these people feel “Total Entitlement’ and that is not the case and it never will be.
Just wait until Your life is torn apart. Some people need to start to think before they speak.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:22 am
Not sure I understand your post
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March 16, 2016 at 9:44 am
Which part don’t you understand?
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March 16, 2016 at 9:22 am
I have to agree.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:13 am
Fred is facing every parent’s nightmare. As far as we know, he has cooperated fully with LE, and with his own team of investigators. He has absolutely NO obligation to James Renner or any other unofficial person involved in the case. Many of the questions that people are curious about are, in fact, nobody’s business. It’s frustrating to many of us who badly want answers, but there you are.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:21 am
Fred has cooperated w/ LE and they are satisfied with those results…………………BUT THAT MEANS NOTHING TO THOSE THAT FEEL THE ENTITLEMENT FACTOR…….
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March 16, 2016 at 9:45 am
Agreed!
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March 16, 2016 at 9:15 am
The cycle would never have been if he was forthcoming
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March 16, 2016 at 9:21 am
I call bullshit on this one….jmho
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March 16, 2016 at 9:26 am
No Bullshit just my opinion
John, You have painted a pretty bleak picture of the three Amigos above and if they had come forward you probably wouldn’t have gone down that path.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:34 am
Correct……your opinion and I stated mine.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:42 pm
Fred HAS been forthcoming with the people he needed to be forthcoming to.
James Renner is not on that list.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:17 am
Then he has to live with what is said unless he sets the record straight and its tough to put the horse back in the barn so don’t cry that the horse is out if you didn’t put a lock on the shed.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:23 am
You would think IF Renner is actually a TRUE PROFESSIONAL that he would make this right and put up a PUBLIC APOLOGY to Fred and his family. While he is at it i would like one as well for what was perpetrated against me on his blog.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:20 am
Like I said, he is not obligated whatsoever to speak to renner or anyone else but its either get the truth out or deal with the speculation.
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March 16, 2016 at 11:10 pm
Why does Fred have to deal with any of this? Does he somehow deserves it?Maybe people should just stop blindly believing a blogger who makes crap up and spins the facts just to sensationalize the story and sell his book. Maybe those of us who care about these cases need to use a little more discretion before we just except unverified information as fact and then repeat it all over the Internet..
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March 17, 2016 at 12:52 am
I completely agree with you. If people would only just talk facts and give the rumors a rest.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:25 am
Unfortunately, nhrider, most of the “speculation” came from Renner as payback for not being given an all-access pass (IMO). Most normal people would not assign any of these crazy, nefarious motives to a grieving family.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:28 am
Most of the speculation started on Topix
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March 16, 2016 at 9:34 am
Topix and Reddit are cesspools
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March 16, 2016 at 9:33 am
EXACTLY RIGHT
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March 16, 2016 at 9:41 am
Kate and Sara have been slammed
Why?
Because they haven’t come forward publicly as to what they know
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March 16, 2016 at 9:44 am
yeah….and who has been slamming them the most and calling and intimidating them..?
that is NO WAY to treat a female, esp. someone You are trying to gain info from. jmho
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March 16, 2016 at 9:52 am
Lol, Renner has been the one chasing them down, showing up at their homes. Contacting their friends.
They’ve told their stories to Fred. That’s all that matters. Your curiosity (or anyone’s) doesn’t constitute the right to know their stories. The people who matter, aren’t questioning them. So why should anyone else?
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March 16, 2016 at 9:47 am
Absolutely can not agree. Who are you to question the actions of a man whose daughter is missing? When’s the last time you had a child missing?
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March 16, 2016 at 9:53 am
Not questioning his actions
Just saying- If he came forward and nipped it in the bud and explained a few things
1) ATM withdrawals instead of a check
2) searching for a car
3) why maura used his Toyota to drive to a drinking party instead of him dropping her off
etc……
We are all left to speculate and ask questions
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March 16, 2016 at 9:56 am
And he’s answered these things. Just because he didn’t answer to you, or Renner or any blog posters etc., doesn’t mean he hasn’t answered. Shall he continue to answer until the public is satisfied? Until Renner is satisfied? When will it end?
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March 16, 2016 at 10:02 am
It is the ENTITLEMENT FACTOR that drives these people.
Fred Murray and his family……Owe us fucking nothing. We can step away at any time and end it all. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:04 am
Guess you are not reading my posts or I am not explaining correctly ( one last try)
Renner is writing a book and he is looking for facts. Without Fred-Sara – Kate talking to him ( which they don’t have to ) then not only will Renner speculate until proven otherwise then so will any other posters.
You can not tell me that you haven’t speculated or asked questions on this or other blogs relating to this case.
Williams:-Smith have not been painted in a pretty picture on this blog and I don’t hear anyone speaking up about that.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:07 am
I get it just fine…..!!
Apparently people feel the info and My opinions I have posted about Williams and Smith don’t really need to be questione
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March 16, 2016 at 10:09 am
yes of course they should be questioned .
Just as much as fred or anyone else related to the case
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March 16, 2016 at 10:11 am
And they all have been questioned by LE……Must be LE is satisfied with the results.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:33 am
Apparently you’re not reading my posts. Fred owes him NOTHING! Not information to write a book & capitalize on the worst time in this families life, not an interview, not ANYTHING. So because Fred has decided not to give this man information, it’s ok for Renner to print lies? To print misinformation? To mislead readers? SMDH!
I haven’t asked questions anywhere BUT HERE, and we’ve all speculated, but WE aren’t writing a book! We aren’t putting out false information. We aren’t capitalizing off another families misery. If you can’t see it, then it’s not for me to explain, again.
I’ll leave you with this thought. Fred has come here, to this blog to squelch a rumor. To put end to a piece of “speculation”. To put end to a nasty piece of false information. He has spoken out. Exactly what you’re saying he should do. But what have you done? You’ve kicked up other shit. You’ve continued to argue about the topic of the bed & Renner, you’ve perpetuated the false information. You’re still not satisfied. But you want him to do this with all aspects of his life? I think you’ve demonstrated nicely, WHY he shouldn’t do that.
Have a great day!
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March 16, 2016 at 10:39 am
Thank You very much Sara
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March 16, 2016 at 9:59 am
In fact I think you just answered yourself. “We are left to speculate…”
WE are not the people he owes answers to. WE do not matter in the grand scheme of finding his daughter.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:01 am
He has explained all this to LE and had NO OBLIGATION to tell anybody else a thing.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:00 am
Folks, CEASE THE BULLSHIT.
I’ve waited for this moment here and while I understand the points all around,
it’s time for calm. Yeah, we know. Stories were misleading, stuff wasn’t revealed,
the fingers pointing from both sides. It’s old hat.
It’s also destroying attempts to find her. I feel we may be close, FINALLY, to getting
answers. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE COPS HAVE BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT
ALLOWED TO SHARE EVERYTHING THEY KNOW. YES … it’s very frustrating
to not know. If evidence is made public, that gives ammo to the PERPETRATOR.
The enemy here is not the cops or those seeking answers, it’s whomever is
responsible for Maura’s disappearance, if that is what happened.
If Renner stated non-truths, he has to answer for that.
If ANYONE withheld information, they must come forward and provide clarity.
None of this is about money or bragging rights. This is about closing this case.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:04 am
This is My blog…!!
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March 16, 2016 at 10:07 am
And your point?
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March 16, 2016 at 10:10 am
Mac seems to make it look like he runs this place sometimes…….That is My point.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:18 am
Have at it, you don’t even have to block me.
I won’t post here anymore. I don’t want to upstage anyone or post any thoughts outside the consensus of this blog.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:21 am
Oh here you go again……WHENEVER anyone says the least lil bit about Renner you go off the deep end.
Whatever You choose to do does not effect me in the least.
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March 16, 2016 at 1:41 pm
It is. But it had to be said.
Sometimes we all have to cool it. We don’t always have to agree, but we can disagree with taste. Even when a dissenter is not playing fair.
These sorts of displays hurt The Petition and closure.
After all, who’s gonna route for a jerk? Nobody.
Rider, you’re cool by me.
Jeannie, I don’t know what to say. Seems as if she flamed out.
Cold, well, we all know. Who’s routing for him? Close to zero.
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March 16, 2016 at 7:50 pm
Sorry but I’m not interested in sitting idly by while someone talks bs about a man whose daughter is missing and I believe I did it with taste. I wasn’t rude & there was no name calling. This is Johns blog after all, if he had a problem with my words, I assume he would of said so.
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March 16, 2016 at 8:42 pm
I have no issue at all.
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March 17, 2016 at 10:55 am
“I wasn’t rude …”
No, you weren’t. Thank you. Alex nipped a major fight in the bud. I expected one. Long case fought with short nerves. Back to the case?
What do you think of Jeremy Rathbun’s comments?
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March 17, 2016 at 11:14 am
“Alex nipped a major fight……” No Mac, comments made by Alex had nothing to do with my statements. I said what needed to be said and ended my comments with “Have a great day”. There are people here with opinions besides you & Alex (no disrespect to Alex. I find his comments thought provoking & useful). Just because I passionately share my opinions & support of Fred & The Murray family, doesn’t mean I’m “fighting” with anyone. People won’t always agree. I’ve heard enough bashing of Fred & family. I think the number of likes on a few of my comments goes to show that people are sick & tired of Fred being burned at the stake.
This is not a playground, I don’t need a teacher on duty to reprimand my actions or opinions.
As for Jeremy Rathbun… I’m not great with remembering names I’ve read. I’ll have to remind myself of his comments.
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March 17, 2016 at 12:03 pm
“I don’t need a teacher on duty to reprimand my actions or opinions.”
I don’t pretend to own the blog or mod here. The back and forth with Rider simply was unproductive. Save that garbage for Topix.
ANYWAY …
I’m going back to FB later to see if anything else was posted. This guy Rathbun is talking, finally, after 12 years. If what Alex reiterated above is true, Rathbun’s statements are a complete game changer.
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March 17, 2016 at 12:18 pm
“Save that garbage for Topix?” First I’m not on “Topix”. Second, unless the OWNER of this blog has an issue with me sharing my opinion, then no, I’m sorry, I will stand up for what I believe is right & if you or anyone else doesn’t like it, simply bypass my comments. Funny, I didn’t see you reprimand Rider. Only me.
I’d appreciate if you’d stop talking to me like I’m a 7 year old child. End of discussion.
As for Rathburn, I don’t know what to make of his remarks. I think it’s hard to know how much weight to put into his statements right now. As we all know in this case, just as we think something is coming together… Another rabbit hole opens up!
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March 17, 2016 at 12:35 pm
Incidentally, where are his statements posted?
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March 17, 2016 at 12:40 pm
“Funny, I didn’t see you reprimand Rider. Only me.”
Actually, I didn’t. “Folks …” It meant everyone here, clearly. I think what John posted was fine, because if anyone owns this case, it’s Fred Murray. But John should’ve kept comments off because these Renner issues always start fights. Fights are what Topix is about.
Don’t worry, we’re good. 🙂
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March 17, 2016 at 1:01 pm
DON’T TELL ME WHAT I CAN POST ON MY……YES….MY BLOG.
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March 17, 2016 at 12:44 pm
“Incidentally, where are his statements posted?”
Alex has a great summary here in this comments page. His summary includes details Jeremy subsequently deleted. Alex copied them. I copied what was left of the conversation verbatim in an edited form over in the comments section of John’s, “Rebuttal” post of March 10th.
As you will read, it is a complete game-changer.
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March 16, 2016 at 10:06 am
That is what I am trying to say Mac
Thanks
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March 16, 2016 at 11:02 am
Oh man. This is another reason I think a forum would be more conducive to organized and orderly discussion, but the blog format seems to be popular, and I don’t have the time to start and moderate a forum myself. Though I have been tossing around the idea of starting a Wiki as brought up recently on Reddit.
Rider, I hope you continue to post here. I know some people consider John (and by association anyone who comments here) conspiracy theorists, but I think we have a pretty good, open discussion over here. And while I don’t necessarily agree with all your posts, I think you provide a valuable perspective.
That said, I agree with what Clint Harting (another person who I don’t always agree with, but find to be a valuable resource) said on the “Sara refused to tell the real story again” angle during the Spreecast (that I can’t directly quote now, as I’m not paying for it). I think Mr. Renner just misconstrued how this was told to him and ran with it as it sounds much more important and enticing than the non-story it probably is in real life. Just Clint’s (very paraphrased) thoughts on that, and I kind of agree with that. I also agree with John’s thoughts on it, as said at the meeting on 2/9, that if there was some sort of story there, that it was more than likely just embarrassing and not relevant.
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March 16, 2016 at 9:48 pm
Oh Alex c … I have an iCrush on your knowledge and your ability to smooth out the conflict 🙂
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March 16, 2016 at 12:25 pm
No one is under any obligation to come forward publicly. As long as what they know was shared with law enforcement, that is all that matters. We as random public who have interest in Maura’s case are not ENTITLED to anything, despite what a lot of people seem to feel. Renner may have started with the best of intentions, but he quickly devolved in to tabloid sensationalism. He lost his way a long time ago and cares more about selling his book than finding the truth. I feel deeply for Fred and the Murray family and hope that somehow soon they are able to finally find some piece…one way or another.
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March 16, 2016 at 12:33 pm
Agree 100%
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March 16, 2016 at 7:50 pm
I absolutely agree. Well said.
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March 16, 2016 at 7:53 pm
Bravo Fred! I have been waiting to see you to stand up to Renner for years now! He’s been misrepresenting you and Maura for far too long, just to sensationalize Maura’s story for profit. It makes me sick and I can’t understand why anyone would pay to read his trash.
Fred Murray: “What a black eye to a once proud profession a guy like this is.”
..gotta love Fred’s expressions.
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March 18, 2016 at 11:04 pm
Fred, I appreciate you sharing your feelings about what you’ve experienced. Frank Sinatra said it best when he said the following: “People who make a living on other’s fortunes or misfortunes are parasites”. Well, I would have to agree with that. I can’t even begin to imagine the past 12 years have been like. Being a father myself, I’ not sure how I would react to this. But mark my words, those dedicated to getting answers won’t quit until we finally get justice for Maura, and for her family and friends.
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March 19, 2016 at 8:17 am
Can You please pick one name to use and stick with it.
Thank You
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March 20, 2016 at 8:20 pm
Here’s something I tried to add to Renner’s blog, but was blocked….. Yes, I’m blocked from Renner’s blog. Anyways, what I wanted him to understand and for others to understand is that when someone goes missing or passes away, the first thing that those close to the missing or deceased person remember is their last interaction with the person.
At times this can cause added grief and even a feeling of guilt. Perhaps if they didn’t said this, or done that… etc… It’s possible that’s why Sarah and Fred have been quiet, and quite frankly Renner shouldn’t be harassing them to get answers. Perhaps they don’t want everyone knowing what their last interactions with Maura was.
But I will add this, to anyone who’s ever lost someone and has regret or guilt over something they may have said or did prior… It is never your fault, and you shouldn’t have to bare the burden of guilt or regret for the rest of your life.
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March 21, 2016 at 10:49 am
“At times this can cause added grief and even a feeling of guilt. Perhaps if they didn’t said this, or done that… etc… It’s possible that’s why Sarah and Fred have been quiet … to anyone who’s ever lost someone and has regret or guilt over something they may have said or did prior… It is never your fault, and you shouldn’t have to bare the burden of guilt or regret for the rest of your life.”
Mike: Absolutely agree having been there myself.
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