MARCH 4TH 2016
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March 4, 2016 at 9:42 pm
One thing i have always wondered….
In Butch Atwoods statement he said that whilst he was standing on his porch calling 911 aswell as while he was sitting in his bus doing paperwork, several vehicles passed along the road, but he noticed nothing out of the ordinary.
Did anyone ever come foward as one of those passing people? You would think with how high profile this case is, especially in that area atleast one person would have come foward to say they drove past Maura’s ‘crash’ on that night. Even if it was just to say…”hey, i drove past her car but didnt see anything.”
I have never read anywhere that any other drivers came foward other than witness A. It just seems odd, like everything else about this case 🤔
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March 5, 2016 at 7:34 am
Witness “A” at about 7:30 noticing #001 parked nose to nose w/ the Saturn……and Susan Champy the 7:50 pm witness from the SOCO 2012 article.
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March 5, 2016 at 12:21 pm
I thought long and hard about posting this, as my comment at Cold’s blog that I personally know “Witness A” ended up being extremely controversial (but no less true, I assure you), but I have spoken with someone else who drove by the scene that night.
A friend of mine was on her way back to Lincoln from dropping off money for commissary for one of her friends that was in the Grafton Department of Corrections at the time, in Haverhill. On her way home she passed the accident scene and says that Maura’s car was in the road, facing the wrong direction, with no lights on and no other vehicles or bystanders around at all.
She was unsure about the exact time, but when she saw reports of Maura missing in the news she immediately reported what she had seen to the Lincoln PD.
I wonder how it fits in the timeline? When would her vehicle have been alone with no one in it or around it? Before Witness A, or directly after? When Smith, Atwood, and whomever else were searching? Would they have left her vehicle unattended?
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March 5, 2016 at 12:49 pm
Well, that’s three cars accounted for that happened upon the scene. Screams, “Small World!”, no?
I wonder why she called the Lincoln PD? Only she’d know the time. I suggest if you press her, don’t lead her, because it’ll poison her recollection.
Alex, where’s the stone monument trail again?
March 5, 2016 at 1:52 pm
I made a slight error in my above statement: this friend was on their way TO the jail when she saw this. On her way home from the jail there were emergency vehicles at the scene. There was about 10-15 minutes in between when she first passed by then returned.
She reported this to Lincoln PD because after news that Maura disappeared, she was told that she should report it to police, and did so to her local PD, which was Lincoln.
The trail to the abandoned settlement, Whitcherville, is about 3 miles East of the accident. I can’t find our previous discussion on it, but I didn’t bring that up. In our previous discussion on it, I did post a hiker’s trip report of going out there, though, and finding nothing out of the ordinary. Though he probably wasn’t looking for a body. Trying to find our previous talk, but it may have been deleted.
March 5, 2016 at 2:13 pm
It seems the possibilities for your friend seeing the Saturn alone could have been 1) before the #001 SUV arrived at it, OR 2) after the #001 SUV left but before BA arrived in the bus, or 3) after BA left for home but before Cecil Smith arrived in the #002 Sedan. However, I’m thinking the first one above may be able to be eliminated because I think it would have taken longer than the 10-15 minutes from that time until Smith in the #002 Sedan arrived.
March 6, 2016 at 3:57 am
“I thought long and hard about posting this, as my comment at Cold’s blog that I personally know “Witness A” ended up being extremely controversial (but no less true, I assure you), but I have spoken with someone else who drove by the scene that night.
A friend of mine was on her way back to Lincoln from dropping off money for commissary for one of her friends that was in the Grafton Department of Corrections at the time, in Haverhill. On her way home she passed the accident scene and says that Maura’s car was in the road, facing the wrong direction, with no lights on and no other vehicles or bystanders around at all.
She was unsure about the exact time, but when she saw reports of Maura missing in the news she immediately reported what she had seen to the Lincoln PD.
I wonder how it fits in the timeline? When would her vehicle have been alone with no one in it or around it? Before Witness A, or directly after? When Smith, Atwood, and whomever else were searching? Would they have left her vehicle unattended?”
That’s really interesting. I wonder what time that was. It seems the window of opportunity for MM to have simply disappeared is getting smaller and smaller.
Also regarding the houses down OPR, were they occupied at the time? If so were the people living there at the time ever interviewed about what they heard/saw? I have never seen them mentioned anywhere and it would seem the obvious thing to do given their proximity to ‘crash’ site. It was so close MMs car she could have easily slipped down there fairly quickly without anyone noticing, especially if she was planning to lay low for abit.
March 4, 2016 at 10:12 pm
I was late for the game in replying to your question about a place on Old Peters Road and the possibility of bystanders on John’s ATM Evidence post.
“see below in comments for the place you’re thinking of at this link:
The available video (also available on Youtube) shows the view of the crash site from that driveway.
I believe it’s 11 OPR.”
I wouldn’t have re-posted the reply except that I recently re-watched the crash site video that the blog owner (SL?) posted and the lack of sound makes me wonder what this person was trying to illustrate.
From what I can see it’s six smaller clips merged into one. They appear to be out of order, but without the sound I can’t really guess for what reason.
The filmmaker stands in BA’s driveway looking back to the WBC, then begins walking west past J&V M’s house to directly in front of the three trees to the east of the blue ribbon. The filmmaker looks back east to the intersection of BHR and then the video abruptly cuts to the filmmaker walking on OPR, heading back toward the WBC. Once at the intersection of OPR and 112, the video cuts back to where the filmmaker was standing in front of the stand of three trees, the camera pans back to WBC and the filmmaker continues to walk west along 112. The filmmaker is standing on the corner on the W’s side making hand gestures and barely missed by passing cars. I wonder if the filmmaker is looking at power lines above? This person is certainly showing the view through the corner at the very least. Another cut and we’re looking through the trees toward the crash site from the driveway of the first house on the left on OPR.
So, any thoughts?
Anybody else wonder about this?
March 4, 2016 at 11:11 pm
If you go to the link that you posted and scroll down through the comments… there is the picture of the brown sided chalet style property with something that is bright blue on the right side of building. Is this the J and V M’s house? When looking at the pictures of many of these properties… It is difficult to identify them ……because of improvements made to them over the last 12 years. This is especially true when looking a the A frame on Valley Rd. I would think that Atwood would have notice the change in sound and speed of a vehicle if it had stopped to pick up MM. Also, the sound of opening and closing car doors. Because of the search dog losing her sent at the Bradley Hill Road, I would think that She ran down that road and came back out on to Rt 112 before the location at which Forcier saw her. I really like Alex’s idea about searching trail with the stone monument again……. I just finished watching the story about the Missing Emma which John posted a link to on his twitter account. This Emma reminded me lot about Maura. The idea of personal privacy and not letting the world see their pain and anguish. The pressures of being seen as a very attractive young women, etc.
March 5, 2016 at 7:33 am
11 O P rd. is actually the cabin located at the 1st drive on the left after entering O P rd.
March 5, 2016 at 11:48 am
Yes. “Sam Ledyard” beefed when he referred to the photo in the comments as The Marrotte’s, that’s the Old Peters Road address. Similarly, Bootleg mixed up The Marrotte’s residence in the 0 – 22sec sequence of the linked video. That IS The Marrotte house; “Sam” is clearly shooting their house from across the street from The Atwood house driveway.
Jeannie: Get me up to speed. Alex’s comment about the stone monument trail is at the location of one of NH’s abandoned towns? I remember, imperfectly, that comment earlier in this blog or perhaps in one of the Podcast YouTube® comments? Thanks.
BTW, I wonder if LE tried to take the dogs up Bradley Hill? Seems to me to be a logical course and her running up that way (entirely possible) to the intersection Forcier claims he sighted a runner aligns nicely.
March 5, 2016 at 12:36 pm
Followup: Bootleg got it right, my error.
March 5, 2016 at 2:43 pm
Bootleg mixed up what?
That’s exactly what I wrote…
March 5, 2016 at 2:44 pm
March 4, 2016 at 11:40 pm
J&V M’s house is not the house shown in those comments.
Their house is the dark brown one across the street at time 0-0:22 in the video at that link.
The house in the photo in comments is the same as the one in the video at time 3:24-3:25.
March 5, 2016 at 2:02 am
I also watched that video a few weeks ago, infact iv watched it quite a few times trying to figure out exactly what the person was trying to show! Its very frustrating that there is no sound, i am guessing that must be somekind of technical issue as i dont see why they would deliberately cut the sound. Like you say it seems to have been cut and put together in a very strange order so i am not exactly sure what they are wanting us to see.
It’s intetesting to see the position and distance of each house in relation to crash site though; if nothing else.
I am not sure who that last house in the clip belongs too either, it seems to be set back from 112, possibly off OPR. Anyone know the owner?
Also i wonder how the Marrottes were able to see Maura’s car from their window as they state, from photos and footage i have seen it just doesnt even seem possible!
March 5, 2016 at 7:27 am
Correct about the Marrotte’s view and perspective of that evening.
March 5, 2016 at 8:05 am
Since watching the last podcast, I frequently think about the possibility that MM had a accident at Walmart with the red truck with Mass plate. Remember Lori Bruno referred to the big ass truck. But I wonder if her mind was thinking back to the Pamela Webb case. Since we know that Atwood told MM that he would definitely call the police and ems…… then she panicked and ran. Was the police too late to obtain the videos from the atm ?…. They will not admit to the lack of evidence. The same problem with the last sighting in Canada.
March 5, 2016 at 12:44 pm
Jeannie: WallyMart, possible, but for poor Maura, that’s enormous bad luck, on top of all the other bad luck. We can never find out since there would’ve never been a followup. That is, unless the cops have any description of what vehicles were involved.
Video: I’ve thought that none exists too. LE has referenced it which contradicts this. That newest Canada sighting is less important for the possibilities than for the revelation that LE doesn’t seem to know how to handle cameras in the first place! So what good are they, then? I said as much in the commentary.
March 5, 2016 at 1:30 pm
How far done the Old Peters Road did LE search? appx 2.5 or 5 miles. At one time I watched a video of a person on dirt bike driving down Old Peters Rd…… Far at the end, some logging company was clearing a lot of land. Was this happening in 2004. Is this why some local people were talking about putting dead bodies thru wood chippers? Think the search areas should be extended out to at least ten mile radius. But after twelve years, there will be many layers of dead leaves covering the skeletal remains of a body.
March 5, 2016 at 1:49 pm
Old Peters Road: I don’t know.
I don’t think she’s in the immediate area either. My guess is somewhere east.
Dunno about wood chippers, new to me in reference to this case. In Connecticut in The ’80s, there was that infamous case in which husband Richard Crafts was accused of putting his dead wife in a chipper along the shores of Lake Zoar. Interesting in that the state convicted him without conclusive proof of a body. That was because they could never find big pieces of it. All of the evidence, the most damning, a tooth, just fragments, proof, the state claimed, Crafts passed her body, sections at a time, through a wood chipper. I remember the newspaper articles with talk of a piece of toenail here, bits of bone there. Nasty. A big coup for forensic scientist, Dr Henry Lee, who became a rock star in the field, his biggest moment coming probably during The OJ Simpson Trial.
March 5, 2016 at 2:57 pm
nice, that was my video LOL
As far as I can tell from maps we only made it about 0.75 miles up OPR. We stopped to turn around because of a sign “Trespassers will be shot” — without knowing folks in the immediate area and not knowing where private property boundaries are, I felt it best to turn around and go back.
My cameraman did take a turn near the little red house though. One of the podcast guys had actually reported to have been given a tour of this property!
After consulting maps later it seems that it would’ve been a very short distance to get all the way to Benton Road (NH 116) on the other side of White’s Pinnacle — a project for better weather.
I’ve really just always wanted to know if it was reasonable to make it all the way through OPR and hook up with 116 which eventually ties into 112…right where RF saw the elusive person on his way home from work that night.
Anyway, glad you watched it. 🙂
March 5, 2016 at 3:25 pm
Just to add…
One can see that OPR used to go all the way to Benton Road in 1932 here…
the road also seems to go behind J&V M’s & RF’s houses to link up with BHR.
1989 shows OPR already stopping short
March 5, 2016 at 7:15 pm
Bootleg: Those roads. Interesting and I noticed a coupla things.
1) Rt112 may have been rerouted at some point as there’s a secondary road parallel to the current highway at the Old Peters Road intersection. It’s probably one of those mistakes carried through for years; it happens a lot in map making/
2) Alex mentions Whitcherville Road which leads to the area of Rt112 where Forcier claims he saw a runner. There’s a possibility she took a trail there for whatever reason that bears investigation.
We now know that the footprints behind The Marrottes, at which said property she could’ve accessed at least from two points, has been discounted. I’m theorizing the old road in that tiff you posted possibly became the driveway at #11 Old Peters Road. There’s the field there too. She could’ve laid low until the cops dispersed. Who lived there then and did the cops bother to interview them?
Alex mentions Whitcherville Road which could have significance. One, the trail somewhere along there. Two, there’s a short stretch to the south. What’s down there? Three, there’s a house at that bend where Whitcherville connects with Rt116. Four, I wonder if anyone at Coventry Garage at Boutin Corner saw anyone running by that night?
March 5, 2016 at 7:19 pm
Almost forgot: Five, there’s a SHELTER at Beaver Pond, The Beaver Brook Shelter. Kinda thinkin’ along the lines of that mysterious Haverhill Hostel. Anybody ever inquire as to if anyone anonymous holed up in one of these shelters that night? Were any of them even operating?
Count me as one who thinks it highly improbable she made it to Lincoln. But … you never know.
March 5, 2016 at 7:20 pm
My Verdict: There’s a lot of walking with nose to the ground to do. Wish I could participate this year.
March 5, 2016 at 6:17 pm
“nice, that was my video LOL”
OK, to confirm, not clarify, the video “Sam Ledyard” posted on his page was YOUR video, not one of his own? To clarify, did he take pieces of YOUR videos you uploaded and edit them without sound, hence your not identifying them as yours earlier?
March 5, 2016 at 8:03 pm
I had nothing to do with the notwithoutperil crash scene video or SL, none of my footage was used in his video.
I made the “dirt bike” video of OPR referenced by Jeannie at 1:30.
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March 5, 2016 at 8:07 pm
Oh Ok. I’ll watch.
March 5, 2016 at 2:26 pm
The thought I had that I posted in the thread that got axed (I’m re-posting because no one had a comment to it and so I don’t think anyone saw it before the thread was deleted) was: I wonder if there are satellite photos of the area from around that time that may show some disturbances anywhere in the surrounding landscapes. I saw a show on the West Mesa murder victims in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and after a woman walking her dog in a new construction zone in 2009 found a human bone, investigators looked at satellite photos of that area from around the time of the disappearances (2001 to 2005) which showed them where there were new tire tracks in the sand, and spots where the sand had been disturbed. When the spots were excavated, remains of 11 of the 17 missing girls plus a fetus were discovered.
March 5, 2016 at 6:27 pm
Eggggggsalent Question, Mom. (All apologies to Vincent Price.)
John, any clue as to if such a thing is possible to replicate here? The obvious difference is that TREES could be a hindrance.
Actually, SNOW is an indicator as well. It melts faster over shallow graves. Doubt it would work now …
Speaking of shallow graves, where’s MJ, Lisa and Nancy?
March 5, 2016 at 4:09 pm
On 9-13-2013 a person going by adamghost72 posted a detailed, lengthy, well-thought out theory on the original notwithoutperil blog. It explored the possibility of MM going east, written so well that I was inspired to actually go to the crash site and drive from Woodsville to Lincoln.
My immediate impression is that if she tried to go east and didn’t make it, that the most likely place for her remains would be along 112 somewhere between Wildwood and Beaver Pond.(~2 miles) This uphill section is the steepest and most dangerous, particularly for someone who may be looking to elude passing cars.
March 5, 2016 at 4:22 pm
I’d be interested in reading that. Again, being familiar with that stretch of road, I think it’s HIGHLY unlikely she went that way, and if she did she wouldn’t have gone very far.
As you know, not far past Bradley Hill Road that turns into one long, dark, desolate, and downright scary section of road. Not impossible, and I’m aware she would be more than able to do this with her running experience, but I do not feel she would have been willing, and would not have traveled very far that way on foot, if at all.
March 5, 2016 at 4:26 pm
maybe with a headlamp or hand held flashlight…..remember she was a runner and POSSIBLY trying to flee the scene. jmho
March 5, 2016 at 4:52 pm
That is a possibility, as is her making it all the way to Woodstock/Lincoln potentially. Even with a headlamp though, you’d have to force me to walk alone through that stretch, especially toward the Kinsman Notch section Bootleg mentions, heading toward Lost River. Hell with that! Especially alone and at night, and I say this as someone who has hiked Mt. Liberty by myself in January at 3AM (sunrise hike for a photo, and by headlamp for practically the entire ascent). The only reason I kept going was because I knew it would be nearing light by the time I got to the top. I am a wimp, but I almost turned around about 20 times in the first half mile. My hike to the top also wasn’t the 15+ miles hers potentially would have been. Though, maybe she didn’t realize this and thought Woodstock might be closer and just kept going.
I still personally do not think she traveled any significant distance past Bradley Hill Road East, on foot, and I take her running ability into consideration. Just my opinion on that matter, and I’m aware I may be wrong. Given the evidence we can only speculate. I do not give much stock to the sighting of her 4-5 miles away either.
March 5, 2016 at 4:59 pm
I do agree Alex……Just think it could be possible she did go that way.
Personally IF she did go EAST it was in a Vehicle. jmho
March 5, 2016 at 5:09 pm
Kudos for getting your shot, sir.
I don’t run unless chased or the ball is in the air.
As for going east on foot:
Do I believe it?
Was she capable and motivated to do so?
State Champ. All she had to do was convince herself to take the first step down the street. It doesn’t matter if she really could make it, only that she believed that she could make it
Perhaps she only made it from the Saturn to the intersection of BHR like the dogs report before thinking it was a bad idea and getting into a car?
I really don’t know. Planting seeds, hoping for trees.
March 5, 2016 at 6:54 pm
You’re certainly no wimp … lookit all the people who drive up Mt Washington then film the obligatory video at the summit. It’s no easy climb, I’ve done it, but I’m not a young man anymore, as Lou Reed lamented.
BUT the thing that would deter her is a lack of light. She’d know that instinctively. One can see town lights for miles. Otherwise, she’d know she was going nowhere but deeper into the black.
March 5, 2016 at 6:41 pm
Bootleg, I just tried to find that. The blog is up but apparently only for the year 2014. Did you archive it? I’m funny that way.
March 5, 2016 at 4:31 pm
Yeah but…I keep thinking of what KF said about being scared.
What if it was her only play? Having to rely on a major strength (running), it couldn’t have been THAT easy to rule out for her, could it?
(Old blog site is long gone so a link would do you no good now. I have a .pdf of the post though, email-able.)
I’d like to read that PDF, Bootleg. Would it be possible for to e-mail it to John?
March 5, 2016 at 5:27 pm
March 5, 2016 at 6:42 pm
Heh, I should read all comments before posting.
March 5, 2016 at 7:09 pm
Thanks! That’s quite the lengthy read, especially with the comments, which I’ve yet to go through. Mind if I post it for others to read?
March 5, 2016 at 7:22 pm
Alex, you’re Da Man. Please post this, thank you.
March 5, 2016 at 7:42 pm
by all means
March 6, 2016 at 7:45 am
March 5, 2016 at 5:49 pm
Well, it is interesting to think about did MM knew the family that owned the property in back of Atwood’s? Also, was the accident at Walmart with Moulton/Weeks? What about the convicted murder who saved MM’s picture from newspaper article. He died in prison. He worked for some type of commercial rental property management company. Could she have made contact with him by phone. When she was looking for a place to stay. I know that I keep mentioning the truck driver that traveled from HOJO’s on Maine Turnpike… he would pick up loads of bark mulch in Franconia and then head back south. I do not believe there are many eighteen wheelers on Rt 112 except for logging on Old Peters Rd.
March 5, 2016 at 5:52 pm
I wish that I knew who the couple that moved to Alaska are?
March 5, 2016 at 6:50 pm
Jeannie, all great points. It’s a leap to consider the WallyMart accident though it’s possible.
What’s this about knowing the property behind Atwood?
Again, when did you last see that trucker?
Yep … seems some of these customers die in prison. Convenient, no?
March 5, 2016 at 8:27 pm
Last time was breakfast on Saturday, July1st, 1989. PW was abducted that night. Truck driver did not come in for Saturday dinner. First time in four years. It was important that he stop because of his log book. Maine Troopers were always checking his log book and inspecting his truck. He had chronic attitude problem. He did not come in for Sunday breakfast. There were no sightings of PW at either HOJO’s. Where is the location of Cecil Smith’s house on Bradley Hill Rd?
March 5, 2016 at 7:53 pm
I’ve been researching early documents, articles, etc.
Is it possible the following 2 quotes are related? The info in both quotes is new to me(maybe not to others)
“In addition, an email was written by Breslin, and released to the UMass nursing community. According to the email, Murray sent an email to her faculty Monday afternoon at 1:24 p.m. indicating she was heading home for the week due to a death in the family and that she would contact everyone when she returned”. Quote from DailyCollegian.com 2-17-2004
This is the 1st time that I read that she was heading home for a week.
“The house on Walker is vacant, now, and, apparently condemned. But his cousins still live across the street and his neighbor, Becky, says she remembers Maura visiting him there shortly before her disappearance.” Quote from JR blog 11-4-2011
Has anybody else known that Maura visited FM’s old house at 22 Walker St. in Weymouth, Mass shortly before her disappearance?
March 5, 2016 at 8:05 pm
First Quote: Familiar.
Second Quote: Nope. Knew of that house, of course, but not assertion.
March 5, 2016 at 8:36 pm
Maura was supposed to call Fred at 8PM on Monday night.
Fred said on ID that in that late Sunday night call that she would get the forms Monday and call him around 8 that night.
Doesn’t this mesh pretty well with a plan to be in Bartlett(?) at or by 8 PM?
March 5, 2016 at 8:54 pm
I wonder if auto diagnostic tools were ever used on the Saturn during the course of the investigation?
The resulting feedback from the car’s systems might go a long way.
Also, regarding the NHSP’s possession of the Saturn:
It’s been suggested that the car is useless as evidence after changing hands and being exposed to the elements.
Can anyone help think through this — Could it be that there’s some form of non-DNA type of evidence or something special about the car that ISN’T corruptible or microscopic or organic?
Also, is it at all plausible that LE released the car to the family (while always intending to take it back) expressly for the purpose of seeing how possession of the car plays out with the family? (That is, to see how the family deals with the car.)
March 6, 2016 at 1:44 pm
Questions to specific posters in alphabetical order.
Alex: Thanks for the upload of Bootleg’s archive. Will read.
Let us know should you try to contact your second witness. Maybe her memory will come through and help the official timeline.
Do you remember who posted the bit about the Whitcherville? Les? MJ? NHRider? One of those posters, I’m sure. I think that entire neck of the woods is largely unexplored.
Bootleg: What was the date of your film? Did you ever try to use assessment data to find out who lives at 11 Old Peters Road and the people who live on the “Trespassers Will Be Violated” property? I know lots of folks post aggressive signage to ward off the curious, but it’s a little suspicious.
White’s Pinnacle as an access to Rt116? Absolutely.
Jeannie: Pamela Webb disappeared in July 1989, her body, well, what was left of it was discovered by “Butch” Smith, John’s brother, while on with a maintenance crew at one of the Overlooks soon after. Anybody ever follow up on “Mr Trucker”? If there’s nothing on this guy, it kinda informs the likelihood this case will ever be solved.
Again, who owns or owned the property behind Atwood that MM was supposed to know? If she did, can anyone ask Fred if she visited there or would’ve possibly taken refuge?
John: Any specifics as to the location of the hunter at the time of his discovery of the duct tape? There may be more clues around there.
Of any of the cooperative neighbors, who owned dogs then? I’d think an alert dog would bark at the sound of a snooper, as in MM loping around while the cops did their thing. Who was the neighbor walking their dog down Old Peters Road again? I know you answered this before.
Uncooperative Neighbors: Any ideas here?
Alex mentions Whitcherville Road which could have significance. One, the trail somewhere along there. Two, there’s a short stretch to the south. What’s down there? Three, there’s a house at that bend where Whitcherville connects with Rt116. Four, I wonder if anyone at Coventry Garage at Boutin Corner saw anyone running by that night? Five, there’s a SHELTER at Beaver Pond, The Beaver Brook Shelter. Kinda thinkin’ along the lines of that mysterious Haverhill Hostel. Anybody ever inquire as to if anyone anonymous holed up in one of these shelters that night? Were any of them even operating?
Finally, how about Mom’s suggestion of getting legacy satellite images to determine if grounds were disturbed? Is this even practical given the denseness of the forest?
Thanks to all in advance.
March 6, 2016 at 1:59 pm
The property @ 11 Old Peters is the 1st drive on the left after entering OP rd. The owners of that property is Mecuri and I have left several business cards for them as well with no response.
The other property behind Atwood is owned by Robert Preskins and they are from Mass. Cards have been left w/ no response.
Unsure of exactly where the duct tape was found but I believe it is said to have been found ‘east of the Beaver Pond & pull-off.
Whitcherville is a good place to look it is hundreds and hundreds of acres with no houses basically. It is on My list to be looked into for sure. I have never been into that area on on the peripheral off the main roads.
March 6, 2016 at 4:39 pm
“The property @ 11 Old Peters is the 1st drive on the left after entering OP rd. The owners of that property is Mecuri and I have left several business cards for them as well with no response.
The other property behind Atwood is owned by Robert Preskins and they are from Mass. Cards have been left w/ no response.”
I find this so crazy and frustrating! What person wouldn’t want to potentially help bring a loved one home to a desperate family! Even if they feel they have nothing to offer up in the way of helping, just putting themselves out there to be available to say that to John would be helpful in itself. What reason could they have to remain silent; even just to say “I didn’t see or hear anything that night”. Seems very fishy to me!! If someone disappeared down my road, i would do anything i possibly could to help bring that person home!
March 6, 2016 at 5:09 pm
That is what drives me in my determination with this case. I imagine if that was my sister and I got stonewalled by everyone in the area. I can’t even imagine the desperation and anger I would feel.
To be labelled a “conspiracy theorist” for asking unpopular (yet still unanswered) questions, is a small price to pay. It’s ironic too, since most of us here don’t subscribe to any one theory.
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March 6, 2016 at 8:44 pm
“That is what drives me in my determination with this case. I imagine if that was my sister and I got stonewalled by everyone in the area. I can’t even imagine the desperation and anger I would feel.”
Amen to that!!
I cannot for the life of me fathom why anybody with a half a heart would not want to do anything they can to help, even more so if you live in the immediate area and could potentially hold vital information that may seem totally insignificant to you! Even if you feel you have nothing to offer up in the way of information, that’s fine, but atleast open ya dam door and say so! The code of silence only breeds speculation and suspicion, which maybe totally unfounded. I just think some of these people need to put themselves in the Murrays shoes, even for a second and ask themselves how they would feel if that were their Son, Daughter, Mother, Father….. Jeez i nearly went crazy when my dog went missing for 3 days, i walked the streets day and night searching, the heartache and despair i felt……i just cannot even comprehend the pain of having a loved one missing…and for 12 years at that!
I feel like half the problem with finding MM is the fact that so many of the local residents (mainly in the immediate vicinity of MMs crash site) seem either totally disinterested or hostile towards helping the investigation. Who knows what the real reason is for that, but i cant help but feel if they would only cooperate, maybe, just maybe they could help solve this!
March 7, 2016 at 5:53 pm
“The other property behind Atwood is owned by Robert Preskins and they are from Mass. Cards have been left w/ no response”
I found a Robert Preskins who lives in East Weymouth Mass.
Coincidence? From same area as FM.
March 7, 2016 at 6:09 pm
March 6, 2016 at 2:05 pm
Mac, she is unsure of the exact time. I do not recall specifically ho brought up Whitcherville, but it was someone who is not a regular, or any of the folks you listed.
To reach the three-sided Beaver Brook shelter is quite a hike in itself, a mile and a half from the trailhead (which is after some of the ruggedest section of Kinsman Notch if coming from the accident site), and the lower part of the Beaver Brook Trail follows some extremely steep and slippery terrain, alongside some waterfalls. Nearly impossible she went there, or intended to, in my mind.
March 6, 2016 at 3:50 pm
Josh was the name of the guy that brought up Whitcherville awhile back.
March 6, 2016 at 2:10 pm
I still cannot locate our prior discussion on Whitcherville. It must have been deleted, or my Google-Fu is slipping.
Here’s that hiker’s trip report to that area that I found, again. If anything, just for an idea what some of that area looks like.
March 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm
It may have been on the “Gathering” post that John ultimately took down.
March 6, 2016 at 2:23 pm
Oh, yes, the Maine State Police were on top of him. He was ticketed and given warnings about log book violations and his truck needed repairs. NH State police and John Healey was at both HOJO’s.
March 6, 2016 at 2:30 pm
I did not know about John’s brother. That must have been very difficult for him to deal with.
March 6, 2016 at 2:52 pm
The motorcycle film was shot on Saturday June 27, 2015.
If you want to see where we ended up, check Google Earth:
Latitude: 44° 6’32.71″N
This is about 0.75 miles along OPR, on the SE edge of the clearing with the red-roofed house which appears to be at the the top of the lodge driveway, Skyway Terrace.
I don’t believe that it’s suspicious, I don’t think anyone wants to feel like their property is under scrutiny. If lookie-loos can be convinced to leave with the ease of a road sign, more power to them. I was really just trying not to step on property owners’ toes. Without knowing their sense of humor, risk far outweighed reward in that case.
(Incidentally, the raw footage wasn’t edited until December 2015. I used free tools AviDemux and Audacity. The actual final product looks much better than the YouTube video due to limits of my membership status.)
March 6, 2016 at 9:49 pm
My thinking about the satellite photos was to attempt to get them from a few days a week, several weeks in a row, for several months, and compare them to look for differences in the surrounding areas, especially from when the weather and ground were warmer but not too many leaves on the trees yet.
March 6, 2016 at 4:13 pm
This is the first time I’ve made a comment about MM on the net. I wan’t to discuss some important things with you guys about the facts in this case about MM.
First – I’m from Denmark. So I do apologize if my grammar or spelling ain’t that good.
But to the point. We have to talk about the timeframe from MM crashs to Cecil Smith arrives. We have to see what facts we really have about that timeframe.
Okay – to me there are only to choices:
– the faith of MM depends about events both before the crash and after the crash
– the faith of MM depends only about events after the crash happens
In both cases what happens after the crash are at core of everything. And most of all: What happens between the crash and when police arrive at the scene?
In the timeframe we’re talking about we have 4 (5) known witnesses:
– Cecil Smith
– Faith Westman (and indirect Tim Westman)
– Butch Atwood
– Virginia Marotte
The one that saw the most and were most in the overall timeline is Faith Wsetman (FW). I will try to make logic conclusions from comparing FW statements with Cecil Smiths’ (CS). Logic conclusions that will show us witch way the faith of MM happened.
Now can we trust FW. Is she lying? Does she manipulate with the truth? Is she a part of a conspiracy?
We have absolutly no reason to believe either of those tings.
Most likely FW is trying to tell the truth as well as she can.
But witnesses to incidents is not total rialible even though they try to tell the truth. Two reasons for that:
– faulty memory
– faulty perception
Faulty memory is a human thing. We can’t do much about it. The best way is to put more weight on witnesses’ statements shotly after the events happened and less statements told much later. We have to look at FWs statements close to the disappearing of MM. Okay.
Faulty perception is also a human thing. We much more make statements about what we THINK we see and actually not what we in fact see. And determening MMs faith depend a lot about whether FW saw what se saw or she saw what she think she saw.
Okay, let us start with the basics af what FW saw that myserious monday in 2004.
The Westmans heard something outside on the road that was like “a crash”. Immediatly she go to the window. She a crash car and a young woman standing next to the car. Immediatly (7:27) she calls the police. She speaks with police a lengthy time (what time she actually hangs up the phone are at the core of this post). She tells the police that there have been a crash and that she can see a young woman by the side of car, looking unharmed but needing some help. She sees and tell the operator about Atwood coming to the site, talking to the woman and leaving the site. She hangs up when the police arrieve.
Some important remarks:
1: There is nothing strange about FW talkning a lenghty time with the operator. Operators are trained to keep witnesses on the phone until police arrieve and take over the situation. This is properly what happens here.
2. According to FW most of the time she is looking out of the window when talking with the operator. But not every second of the talk. But most of the time.
3. The above makes sense. They talk a rather long time and what other things than standing at the window and telling what goes on at the scene should FW do?
4. From what I’ve red FW never claims that she never lost visual contact of the woman (MM).
5. But FW also have never ever said that she in fact did lose visual contact of the woman.
6. Combining 4 and 5 it makes perfect sense. Most of the time FW looked out of her window and when she looked (and that being most of the time) she always had visual contact of the woman.
Combining 4, 5 and 6 it is: Though never directly claimed we can fairly assumed that the woman (Maura) never disappeared out of sight from FW when she was talking with the operator.
With the above analysis we can now say something about different possibilities of what the timeframe REALLY is.
Timeframe 7:27 to 7:46:
FWs call is 7:27. FW say she hang up when the police arrieved. CS says he arrieved at 7:46.
If what FW actually saw what she say she saw then police i this case have a LOT to explain. We assume we can trust FW. And in this first possibility she said that she hang when the police arrieved. And from above we have concluded that Maura didn’t disapear when FW was on the phone.
So in this possibility CS is in shit to the neck. Maura was there when he arrieved and his statement is that she was not there.
Timeframe 7:27 to 7:45-7:46.
Now this is something completly different. Let me explain.
The statement “hang up when the police arrieved” can mean a lot of things. And maybe FW have never even thought about what I’m trying to explain.
FW hear the sirene of the police car and/or see the blue light from a police car – but still not there – the noise and light is maybe a couple of 100s yards away. She tells the operator that a police car arrieves. The operator doesn’t need FW anymore and they hang up. FW is “done” with the incidint and she turns around to do her normal business in her house. According to FW she again looks out the window 5 to 10 minutes later. And now she directly see a police sedan (#002) and a police officer. Her mind says that she DID see the police arrive in a sedan before because she now really see #002 and CS. But that is not what really happened. Her mind tells her what she saw but in reality her mind is telling her what the mind THINKS it saw.
In this case FW NEVER saw #002 arrive. In reallity she only saw noise and light from a police car at a distance. She never did see the car arrive.
In this case both FW and CS could be telling the complete truth. When FW hung up Maura was there. When CS arrived Maura was gone.
In a tiny tiny window of time noone can account for Maura.
Well assuming CS is not a complete corrupt and incompetent cup then we can safely assume that Maura
– was not on the 112 either going east or west (CS would have seen her on the road in that tiny tiny window when FW can’t account for Maura).
– was not kidnapped by a killder (way too little time)
– didn’t run into the woods (she never left footprints in the snow)
There are only one place Maura could be. Going down/hiding down Old Peters Road. I this tiny tiny window of time the only place where Maura can go and not being seen is going down Old Peters Road.
In this case Mauras faith have a lot to do with her own actions. What she did after making the choice to hide on OPR will in this case show us her faith. There are a lot of possibilities. But in this specific case I think Maura met a killer (I can explain that more in a later post. But for here it is: She hide. Wait till al the commosion is over. Start to go/run either west or east on 112. Alone in the dark away from houses by the road she hitchhike and things take a bad path and Maura end up being killed).
Timeframe 7:27 to 7:38-7:45
We have some problems. What is it with witness A and her seing SUV #001 bumper to bumper with the Saturn? And what about the unknown witness that says she/he heard a discussion at the crash site about juridiction? Why have the police never mentioned a call of a crash about 7:05? Why have the police never mentioned anything about SUV #001 being in area even though more than 1 witness have said that #001 was in the area?
For me it adds up to something very very bad for the police.
After FW tells the operator that Atwood have left the scene she hears/see a police car arriving. But she never did actually see the police car arrived at the scene. The car that arrives first is SUV #001. FW hangs up the phone before everybody thinks she hung up. It was not #002 arriving 7:45-46. It was #001 some time before.
Maybe CS do arrive 7:46. But now we can’t know for sure. Because the timeline based on FW have made us think that CS in fact did arrive at 7:46. But the timeline hace changed. #001 have arrived sometime after Awood left the scene (we can’t know for sure but that properly being somewhere between 7:38 and 7:42) and therefor CS can arrive anywhere between 7:38 to 7:46).
But the #001 arrives first and then later (1 to 8 minutes later) #002 arrives.
In this case the police is in shit to the neck time 10. What happened? What happened op Maura? What did you do to her? Why ain’t #001 and the officer in the car in any statements you (the police) have made in this case? What are you covering up?
Maura didn’t go missing. Maura didn’t accidential did out in the cold. Maura didn’t commit suicide. Maura didn’t meet a killing stranger. Nooooooo, you (the police) did something bad to Maura. What did you do to her?
March 6, 2016 at 4:21 pm
Question for Alex:
Alex, I am also from the area and have heard a rumor from a local that two boys that worked at loon were questioned about the case. Do you know anything about that?
March 6, 2016 at 5:01 pm
That is a question I’ve been trying to answer definitively since I heard it myself, Rider, and I haven’t been able to.
I heard there were two brothers that were snowmakers at Loon that were questioned. I’ve never heard any names or local chatter on it. Another reference to Loon is the rumored boyfriend Maura may have had that worked at The Mountain Club at Loon (where Susan Champy also worked) referenced here:
The only other reference to brothers that I’ve heard in this case was the Glynn brothers in a post about the red truck at Renner’s:
I’ve never heard of them, found out where they were from, or been able to link them to Loon Mountain.
There was also the “100% rumor” of a potential beau of Maura’s at the Mountain Club that may had a missing/murdered girlfriend in Manchester, but that was unsourced and I’ve never been able to follow that one through either.
One of the ‘initial names’ tossed around, RS, works at Cannon Mt in Franconia, but to link the two on that alone would be tenuous to say the least. Not sure if he ever worked at Loon.
March 7, 2016 at 10:30 am
Thank you Alex,
You have heard the same things that I have . I have not been able to determine the names of the brothers either.
Do you remember the story about the two brothers that worked at loon and they were off one of the trail on 112 and were questioned by LE and they said that they were spotting deer ( this was at night) and I believe they were in a red truck. Maybe this is the story idk, I am not sure where I even got that info. I want to say I read it on a forum.
March 6, 2016 at 5:12 pm
Did RF pass a lie detector test?
March 6, 2016 at 5:19 pm
To My knowledge he has never been given one…..I am sure he would have refused.
March 6, 2016 at 5:27 pm
What is the location of Monday, March 7th podcast ? I understand that Cliff Harding and James Renner will be participating with John. It is being taped live at 8:30pm EST.
March 7, 2016 at 12:29 am
I bet the latest news on Monday’s podcast (and a link) will he here:
March 6, 2016 at 10:59 pm
Same tact I used above. Thanks for the responses, much appreciated.
Alex: I vaguely recall Josh. He posted a couple of times. Hopefully he’s reading this and will chime in when he has something.
I saw that comment by “Patel TP” or whoever earlier this morning. What a hockey puck. Just one week ago he was commenting about Brianna Maitland and seemed as clueless as anyone. Yesterday, he says he knows where she is and OH! he’s given the info to the VTSP. Surrrre … I hate trolls. If I had confidential info, I sure as shoot wouldn’t blather about it the way he did. Well, unless I had a blog with followers.
The “Loon Bros”. Interesting, since they were one of The Red Truck parties. I read the pdf and Adam is perplexed as to how The Red Truck fits as well. Whoever it was, it’s clear they were looking for something/someone.
Bootleg: Thanks for that upload, Adam had some good thoughts there. The one that struck me most is, “Who says it was Maura who booked the room?”. Yup. Under THEIR name, not hers. As to huffing it to Lincoln, as Alex, I dunno. He thinks she wouldn’t have made it up that long hill to Beaver Pond. Not from exhaustion so much as, “I give up. Time to turn around.”
Reminds me of the comment a newb named “Moggs” or something at Websleuths said in regards to the rag: Perhaps she wrapped something in it. Keys?
Bradley Hill and Old Peters Road are definitely two possible escape routes. Perhaps that’s why the dogs lost her scent. She didn’t step into a car, she simply ran up to Bradley Hill, decided it was too hot with Butch sitting there and turned around past The Saturn and proceeded south down Old Peters Road. Later, that neighbor walks her dog and picks up Maura’s scent and hears something down the road. Did the dogs ever go west of The Saturn?
Jan: Welcome! We appreciate your contributions. I agree, we have to fit the SUV in there and jibe it with Faith’s account.
Jeannie: So did the cops ever get anything on that guy? Sure seems odd.There will be a live debate on the podcast this week. Sure hope the guys will keep it clean, as I posted at Renner’s, not as the presidential debates. Will Lance and Tim go for MSNBC or PBS-type monitoring? Stay tubed …
John: Thanks for the clarification on Josh’s post. What do you think of the stonewalling on the neighbors’ part? Did Maura know The Preskins? Do you think Mom’s idea has merit?
Mom: Not a bad idea. Maybe John will comment.
NHRider: Where ya been. Get Les back in here. I’m curious as to how that connection with that Mass guy who moved up to Haverhill is figuring. I know John has the info.
Sammy: Why would neighbors stonewall? Fear. And the pursuit to be left alone. Unfortunately there are those who simply don’t want to know. It’s called getting involved. Of course, there could be an ulterior motive as well.
Still Missing: Josh, Les, Lisa, Mel, MJ, Nancy.
Newbs: If you haven’t yet, sign The Petition to call in The FBi. Please, it WILL help.
Welp, enjoy the week all, and listen to the podcast. Hey, it won’t feature Trump! Halleleuyum!
March 7, 2016 at 12:41 am
“to laugh it up and to defeat all odds.”
March 7, 2016 at 6:41 am
The comment about knowing what happened to Brianna Maitland is odd, and I hope not just an attention grab.
Making it all the way to Lincoln was definitely within her capabilities, and is possible, but I just don’t think she would have gone all that way on foot or really intended to, once she saw it was virtually uninhabited past that corner and pitch black for miles.
Just my personal opinion being familiar with that road.
March 9, 2016 at 7:55 pm
Not missing just really have nothing to contribute….I feel like we are all beating a “Dead Horse” I am frustrated, so I have just been reading all everyones comments!
March 9, 2016 at 8:58 pm
Lisa: Know the feeling well. Once the men have the debate podcast up there’ll be more to chew on. I couldn’t listen live and they promised a record of it soon.
March 9, 2016 at 9:04 pm
“Lisa: Know the feeling well. Once the men have the debate podcast up there’ll be more to chew on. I couldn’t listen live and they promised a record of it soon.”
Guys i just checked twitter and Renner has the link up for the live podcast from the other night if you missed it. Link below:
March 6, 2016 at 11:11 pm
Alex: One more thing. Forgot to include it in the above. Thank your contact again and if she can share any more to do so. I wouldn’t press her though. Hopefully now that you’ve jogged her memory the time will come to her.
March 7, 2016 at 6:38 am
She’s been given a link to this blog.
March 6, 2016 at 11:44 pm
Mac. what guy do you mean? the truck driver? if so, then, I guess that you have never given information to LE in an open investigation. They listen to what we give them for information. They listen to the answers that we give them which is in response to their questions. They do not freely give information to waitresses. They are professional people. We are told not to discuss this investigation with anyone that is not making an official investigation. Each night, when leaving work, Me State Trooper would shine his lights on my car and on me while walking to my car. He stayed until I locked car doors and drove onto pike. He would be at the exit when I got off. Sanford Pd did the same when depositing my money in night deposit box. NBPD would check that I was safely home for the night. Before I would leave the building, the Me trooper would park cruiser behind my car but he would walk to my car to check that doors were locked and shine his flashlight into my car. Some times, I have thought that the red pick up with the Mass plate….. could it be a friend of her youngest brother and her brother was the passenger. But, if this was true….. her brother would have offered this information to Fred or John.*********************I read on Renner’s blog….That the Glynn brothers lived on Bradley Hill Road.
March 7, 2016 at 12:59 pm
Glynn Brothers didn’t live on BHR to my knowledge
thought it was downtown Woodsville
March 7, 2016 at 1:07 pm
The Glynn brothers lived on Scott rd. off of Rte 116 in a trailer at the end of the road. i went there after they moved. They rented $3000.00 worth of stuff from X 41 rental and never returned the items. It was never recovered.
They both also threatened with bodily harm the owner, Myself and my brother at that business before we tossed their asses off the property.
There is NO DOUBT that they are TOTAL SCUMBAGS.
March 7, 2016 at 2:23 pm
SOMEbody lives on BHR…
“a property on Bradley Hill Road, about a mile from where Maura got into her accident…a mansion, with a gigantic barn/garage…topped with an ornamental golden cow.”
March 7, 2016 at 10:34 am
I just started to watch the Montel video again and immediately two things popped in my skull.
1) Montel says they thought Maura was headed to a Cabin Retreat. What is he talking about? Isn’t the resort where the Salamones own a Condo resort?
2) If Fred and Maura were looking to buy a car that saturday were they looking to trade the Saturn? Why not bring the Saturn if you are thinking of trading it.
March 7, 2016 at 1:01 pm
Hey, Mac, what do you think about ‘The Stalker’ video that was made by Rick Forcier. I would guess the dark haired young women must be his daughter. it is very creative.
March 7, 2016 at 1:08 pm
Where is that video……?? Hmmmm
March 7, 2016 at 3:43 pm
March 7, 2016 at 4:04 pm
On U tube. I just type his name in search engine. The Stalker Song
March 8, 2016 at 11:39 am
It’s Forcier’s stance on the case. He sees himself as a victim of LE, psychics and possibly John.
March 8, 2016 at 11:45 am
Forcier made himself a victim by his own words and actions
March 7, 2016 at 3:13 pm
Jeannie: “The Day Ends in Y”? I watched that before; will do so again. If that isn’t it, I’ll search under his channel. Not much of a lyrics person, gotta admit, so I’ll pay better attention.
As to the first question, yes, the trucker. I realize you can’t put the name out there, just wondering if you knew how far that case got.
Gotta say, your buds at the coffee house had your back! Obviously, road stops are magnets for less than savory characters.
March 7, 2016 at 3:41 pm
Yes, it is different video. Troopers only did that after giving them information about PW/truck driver. only knew his first name. He was already very well know to troopers. Of course, he did not return. We had four to eight troopers for dinner each evening at the same time he was there. AlI I know is what is on the cold case websites. Found the lawsuit by her family was very interesting. You want more information, then do your own online search. PLEASE, end of subject.
March 11, 2016 at 4:37 pm
This is such a bunch of BULLSHIT!!!!! Come on Jeannie start telling the TRUTH!!! You are lying! I know more Cops and Troopers then you could ever know…and I am telling you NONE of them would do this shit you claimed they did for little Ole You!
Please end of subject??????????????// LMAO!
March 11, 2016 at 5:22 pm
SHE HAS BEEN BLOCKED
March 15, 2016 at 1:37 pm
Welp, first catfight here. Actually not bad really for four months. The blog is still a baby.
John, any backstory here or did Lisa just lose her wig? Bummer … I know she’s a member at Helena’s page.
March 15, 2016 at 1:44 pm
What are we talking about here…?
March 15, 2016 at 2:03 pm
John, you blocked Lisa because she “yelled” at Jeannie. That catfight.
March 15, 2016 at 2:24 pm
“John, you blocked Lisa because she “yelled” at Jeannie. That catfight”
Mac i think its Jeannie that’s been blocked. She’s also gone abit crazy on twitter and is posting all kinds of rants about John. This case seems to attract a lot of crazies!
March 15, 2016 at 2:33 pm
I did not block Lisa……
I blocked Jeannie because she is insane.
March 15, 2016 at 2:49 pm
She’s certainly having a good rant, not that any of it makes any sense though……
March 15, 2016 at 7:30 pm
Wha – ? So … we’ve had our first Alfred Hitchcock twist then. What on earth happened? Does this mean all her contributions are suspect? She was here from the beginning.
March 15, 2016 at 8:10 pm
Yes……ALL the things she said are of very high suspect.
March 15, 2016 at 8:39 pm
John, I know you two emailed a bit and she was supporting your rebuttal until you blocked her. Why the fallout?
March 15, 2016 at 8:41 pm
She is nuts……I caught her in several lies. It took Me awhile to realize I was being played.
Fool Me once….shame on You
Fool Me twice…Shame on Me
March 15, 2016 at 8:47 pm
MMM … that’s best spelled out in a post, I think, because we now need to eliminate whatever untruths were spread.
For example, a former officer seen driving near her house.
March 16, 2016 at 11:48 am
I am still here Mac…..and I did not intend for it to be a cat fight…..I just called her out because I started reading this blog from the beginning again so everything sunk in and I noticed that things she was saying seemed ODD so me being who I am I called her on it……John caught it first he is a Smart Man 🙂
March 16, 2016 at 12:23 pm
Jeannie is now threatening to sue Me……LOL. This is just so surreal.
March 16, 2016 at 1:42 pm
I saw that I asked her if she was a Nut Job on Twitter! LOL
March 16, 2016 at 2:31 pm
“I am still here Mac…”
Lisa: Good. I didn’t think you’d gone THAT astray!
Yeah, Jeannie. Dunno. Weird.
I hope Rider stays too. Don’t need the drama.
March 7, 2016 at 1:02 pm
“NHRider: Where ya been.”
Guess I am just waiting for something new to come along
March 7, 2016 at 1:06 pm
You say that you know witness “A”
Can you get her to anonymously post here ? Post her statement?
Has she contacted NHCCU with what she saw? I can’t remember if she did.
This is an important piece to either rule in or out.
March 7, 2016 at 1:37 pm
Indeed I do. She has reported what she saw that night to Haverhill PD, NHSP, and John Healy.
Until just a couple months ago, when I brought it to her attention (after putting the pieces together and realizing who Witness A really was, and that it was this lady I know) she had no idea whatsoever that what she saw that night was the subject of rampant rumor and speculation. In fact it startled her. She reported it to police and thought she had done her part. She had no clue it was picked apart and dissected online.
I put her in contact with Tim and Lance and they have spoken, but not done a full interview as of yet. They are working on making her feel more comfortable.
March 7, 2016 at 1:42 pm
Thanks for responding
Question: Why would she report to the police that she saw police at the scene?
March 7, 2016 at 2:13 pm
People saw news reports in the following days asking people to call police if they had driven by that night or if they may have information. She called, as did my other friend, and reported what she had seen.
March 8, 2016 at 11:22 am
That makes sense
March 7, 2016 at 3:19 pm
Alex and NHRider: Good ideas, but a better idea is for her to submit a statement to the podcast under her pseudonym, “Witness A”. I personally wouldn’t want to either.
March 7, 2016 at 3:30 pm
Did you ever check to see if anyone at Loon Mountain recognized MM. Could the brothers have given her a ride there. Where did they go after they moved. Is that a location to search for MM. I wish that we knew there first names. Then, we could search for information. You and your brother are lucky to be unharmed. What was LE’s attitude about their stealing and threatening behavior.
March 7, 2016 at 4:23 pm
Walter & Michael
March 7, 2016 at 5:00 pm
Thank you, John. I see someone just posted that Williams lived on Bradley Hill Rd. But you told me some time ago that was wrong. But Cecil Smith does?
March 7, 2016 at 5:07 pm
Maybe you made a mistake. I am still 90.00% leaning towards Retired Chief Williams as to being able to answer most of our questions.
March 7, 2016 at 11:27 pm
Now that the podcast is over…. I understand about Williams. He moved to Bradley Hill Rd in August of 2004. But on Feb 9th, 2004, he must have lived on Country Lane(?). John, I am sorry that I did not understand your email/comment.
March 7, 2016 at 11:31 pm
Can you source these dates Jeannie?
March 8, 2016 at 7:40 am
No, this is information from John.
March 8, 2016 at 8:21 am
Alex that is in the Property reports i sent You. Williams BOUGHT BHR property in Aug. of 2004. i am uncertain of when exactly he started to build on that lot. he also owns the big wood lot beside the 445 BHR parcel.
March 8, 2016 at 9:30 am
Yes John, I wasn’t aware Jeannie had that info and was curious if she had another source. Thanks for clarifying.
March 8, 2016 at 9:25 am
So Williams owns 3 pieces of property, that you know of? Or these were bought & sold?
March 8, 2016 at 10:13 am
He does not own the Country land rd. home anymore. That is where he lived when he was married. he left his wife bc she was sick with MS and it was for a younger woman.
March 8, 2016 at 11:30 am
“He left his wife bc she was sick with MS and it was for a younger woman.”
So much for, “… in sickness and in health”.
How’d it go last night? I see JR is making hay over the $4000 again. What’s up with that?
John, any chance the dog walker can expound upon what she heard? Did she see anything?
The Petition is crawling to 4000. Gained a few pounds lately, probably due to the podcast.
Gonna need a new “Thought Page” soon. I’d keep it at around 100 comments per.
March 8, 2016 at 11:36 am
Yes….renner is stuck i high gear on the $4k…….Whatever, I don’t feel it explains what happened to her anyway.
The dog walker has barked as much as possible….Told the same story to a bunch of different people.
Push the petition……I just want it to keep gaining sigs. More on that later.
I will make another page up soon as well.
March 8, 2016 at 11:27 am
OK in response to my own post above about Montel talking about a cottage resort (LOL)
There was a pen found in Mauras car that said Skyvalley4you.com pen and this is a place in Bartlett that has motel and cottage units. This is not the seasons resort where the salamones own. Could this be where Montel was eluding to? He got the phrase Cottage resort from someone in the family ( Fred?)>. I wonder if this has been checked out.
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