The following information just came in today and is being looked into deeper.
I am going to put this out there and see what happens, it is not accusatory in any way about any wrongdoing by the Westman’s or witness Champy, it just does not jive with info that came in almost 12 years ago.
So the info is as follows……’It was stated that John & Virginia Marrotte actually saw Tim and Faith Westman go outside to the scene when LE was there.’
Now…..this is not a big deal really because we know that Susan Champy said she saw two (2) bystanders at the scene and 1 officer. This is in the SOCO article and documented so I am taking it as fact for now to proceed with this post and further investigation.
But actually it is important and relevant because the Westmans have stated they never went outside that evening. So this would mean that someone is not telling the truth and we need to nail that down before it is lost in the mix.
Did they exit the house and go out to the scene after Faith got off the phone with 911…?
Think about it……..
January 7, 2016 at 7:41 pm
NoSnowBanksTim & Faith”CanSeeAManInTheVehicleSmokingACigarette”GuyWestman. Nah. They’re on the up&up……
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January 7, 2016 at 7:52 pm
I really believe the Westmans are liars & I think that’s been well established. I’m more interested in knowing WHY they’ve felt the need to lie about the disappearance, for 12 years.
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January 7, 2016 at 7:53 pm
….we all want to know, Sara.
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January 7, 2016 at 8:49 pm
Trust, but verify. ((( dodges tomatoes )))
Are The Marrottes even still in the picture? How could they be sure who it was from a distance?
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January 7, 2016 at 8:50 pm
BTW, that pic above of “American Gothic” is hilarious.
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January 7, 2016 at 9:00 pm
They have since moved to Keene NH area. I am not sure how they could know for sure.
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January 7, 2016 at 8:57 pm
Do The Boutiliers have anything to say in this matter? Their house is behind The Westman’s.
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January 7, 2016 at 9:04 pm
They did not know a thing happened on the night of the accident.
And when asked about their neighbors they stated ‘everybody just kinda keeps to themselves and we got no problems with any of them’
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January 7, 2016 at 10:23 pm
John, what time did Forcier think he saw her running? Was it near the junction of 112 and 116, at the bridge between Brill and Bowen Brook, on Rt112E? The reason I ask is a guy over at JR’s blog checked out that bridge and there’s room there to rest on a ledge. My thinking is that someone could dodge the sight of cars by sitting there. Mileage? It’s about 5.5mi via 112 and just over 6 going via Bradley Hill Rd. Could be why “Witness B”, Susan Champy, never saw Maura, but Rick did.
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January 8, 2016 at 5:46 am
I am inclined to think the Westman’s are nosy and may well have gone outside but just playing devil’s advocate for a second – is it possible the Marottes just assumed it was the Westmans? They weren’t expecting 2 other bystanders at that time of night there, it didn’t look like Butch so they assumed it was them?
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January 8, 2016 at 8:17 am
It was stated ‘They saw them walk out to the accident’ so i take this to mean they saw them come from their house.
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January 8, 2016 at 11:40 am
Wow, great stuff John. Why would innocent people lie about what they did or didn’t see? I don’t want to cast stones either. But it does seem like we haven’t ever gotten the full story from them.
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January 8, 2016 at 12:42 pm
I hate to think this is the actual case here but it sure seems that all does not add up in this mystery. They are the like the middle of a Tootsie Pop……How long will it take to get to the good part, the truth and what really went down with these folks.
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January 8, 2016 at 1:22 pm
John, you used to post on Websleuths. What happened to the first three posts you made there that were flagged by LE? What was the substance you wrote about? Can you reveal this or you can’t because of the open investigation?
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January 8, 2016 at 1:34 pm
Lack of proper procedure and protocol by Haverhill and NHSP
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January 8, 2016 at 1:40 pm
Thanks.
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January 9, 2016 at 7:36 am
Actually the court documents indicate they are in possession of 100 pages from Websleuths.That would up till 2006. it seems they did follow the online chatter for a bit
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January 9, 2016 at 8:52 am
And they still do…..HOPE THEY ARE READING THIS BLOG..!
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January 8, 2016 at 1:34 pm
I’ve learned that when people lie, they’re story changes every time they speak. When I heard that there were two bystanders, the Westmans were the first people I thought of. As someone above mentioned, they do seem a bit nosy. That night was when their memory loss kicked in. I feel they were told to keep quiet and possibly threatened.
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January 8, 2016 at 1:36 pm
Yes…..it certainly seems that programmed and selective memory kicked in real quick.
WHY……….??
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January 8, 2016 at 1:41 pm
Because they know exactly what happened, they watched the whole thing and know who was involved and that person threatened them. I believe she was harmed right then and there.
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January 8, 2016 at 1:47 pm
Was Skye the stand-in for MM?!?
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January 8, 2016 at 1:47 pm
That is My general consensus all around.
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January 8, 2016 at 1:56 pm
We need a post devoted entirely on Mr Claude Moulton and Miss Skye N Weeks. We know they moved to ME, he owns a trucking company, she bore him a child and she’s since separated from him and, just as Forcier’s ex has, spread stuff about him too.
He’s the one whose brother sent LE the rusty knife and lived in The A-Frame at the time. He also liked to kill animals and leave them on the property. I wonder if he was into trucking cargo back then.
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October 12, 2017 at 7:44 pm
He lived in the A frame house which contained the closet in which the cadaver dogs found the smell of human remains. The house was empty by then, but the carpet samples may or may not have been tested. Looking at the cast of characters gathered at the scene, neighbors and local LE, all probably known to each other and perhaps all involved to some extent, may have agreed that no one saw anything.
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January 8, 2016 at 2:08 pm
I still say she was in the trunk of her car, hence the “flurry of activity” by the trunk.
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January 8, 2016 at 2:10 pm
This statement cannot be ruled out at all. There is a very good possibility of this actually occurring.
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January 8, 2016 at 2:18 pm
I think another vehicle, arrived possibly the red truck and she was put in that vehicle. The Saturn was then taken to Lavoie’s personal garage and wiped clean. I believe he was a firefighter and would know how, along with any police officer to wipe away evidence. JMO
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January 8, 2016 at 10:59 pm
Beyond creepy. I sure hope you’re wrong ‘cuz it points to some seriously foul stuff going on up there. We’re talking “operation” here.
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January 8, 2016 at 6:27 pm
Does anyone know if they dusted for prints INSIDE the Saturn? I imagine not.
Also, is her family entitled to get her car back, ever? I’ve heard her car was possibly moved to Concord. It would be very frustrating if that car is destroyed before capable hands got a hold of it.
Sccmelis my theory is very similar. Unfortunately I believe she ended up in the trunk of the Saturn, causing the flurry of activity just as you stated.
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January 8, 2016 at 8:25 pm
The car was never actaully taken into custody as evidence until June 28th of 2004. They offered the car to Fred way back in March of ’04 and He did not want to deal with it. i offered to store the vehicle at My place sometime after that and then LE decided they wanted it back.
Have a feeling we will never see it again until a criminal case is brought forward.
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January 8, 2016 at 11:01 pm
“The car was never actaully taken into custody as evidence until June 28th of 2004.”
Jesus … yeah, I said it again.
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January 8, 2016 at 8:44 pm
Guess its safe to say any evidence that was either in the vehicle or outside has been wiped clean or washed away by the outdoor elements.
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January 8, 2016 at 8:45 pm
You got that right. The Saturn is basically useless at this point.
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January 8, 2016 at 11:02 pm
It’s worth a try. Nothing to lose. Just a case.
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January 8, 2016 at 11:08 pm
Until JUNE!?????? I’m shaking my head. June? 4 months later??? Ugh. Wtf.
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January 8, 2016 at 11:22 pm
Things are slow there, I guess. It’s almost as if folks were allowing the car to rot out there.
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January 9, 2016 at 8:50 am
Yeah…..You will be doing a lot of that in this case. Complete botch job investigation.
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October 13, 2017 at 5:42 pm
I have a question did claude moulton take a lie detector test ? ladylike50@comcast.net
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October 13, 2017 at 5:50 pm
That is an unkown but he was on the cops radar.
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November 3, 2017 at 10:39 am
This may seem way out there but were the Westmans ever suspects ??? To anyone ?
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July 18, 2022 at 3:52 pm
Thank you for posting this! Recently I’ve been really curious to know about any connections between the Westmans and Jeffrey Williams. Not making any accusations, but I would be curious to know if there is a friendship there, given Witness A’s account of patrol vehicle 001. I know the police stated that Cecil Smith was driving that vehicle that night, but we would be naive to think that the police aren’t monitoring here online communities, and perhaps they stated that just to squash the theory… Just a thought! Please let me know if these connections have been explored— I would be very interested to know!
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