This is a pretty good article…….pick it apart and lets talk.
This excerpt talks about the reconstruction of the accident and damage.
I never give up
January 5, 2016 at 1:33 am
This is the best report on the case I’ve seen. Discovered it very late. Read everything. First I read of Champy; bystanders.
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January 5, 2016 at 1:36 am
Exactly….WHO were the bystanders. Atwood, The Westman’s, some other neighbor, perhaps John Marrotte….????
January 5, 2016 at 4:00 am
I have to agree with Mac. One of the best, if not the best, article I’ve read. There’s a lot of information to absorb here, I need to read it a couple more times, but my first reaction is the Westmans are liars. I’ve thought this for a while, but this article cements it for me. Those people saw FAR MORE than they’re saying, & are saying FAR LESS than they know. It’s funny that they are so adamant that her car hit a tree, yet in this article, Faith says Mauras car was lodged in a snow bank. Strange, since Tim Westman told you, John, when you were with The podcast guys, there weren’t any snow banks when Maura “crashed”. BULLSHIT. Pure bullshit. Are the Westmans related to anyone who was on the Haverhill PD at that time? Have they been threatened? Is there some trade off? Or are they just liars!
It appears this article was written in 2011, and Champys account is pretty clear. Why is it that 5 years later, no one has investigated her claims?
Perhaps because it’s easier to sweep under the rug, & hope people don’t find her credible!
If I had to bet, I’d put money on at least one of the Westmans being a bystander. In my neighborhood, if we see a police car, or any type of action, people are at their windows, listening, watching, etc (me included!), and if I know the cops, I’d be out there. People are nosy like that! Especially in small towns!
January 5, 2016 at 4:09 am
Yes indeed……..been saying for years that Faith saw where Maura vanished to and that Tim was more than likely one of the bystanders at the scene noticed by Champy.
January 5, 2016 at 9:57 am
The one Sentence that really stood out in this article for me was “The investigation developed Information that Raised a question as to whether Maura Murray disappeared as a result of foul play?” AND the fact that nobody will comment because it is an active investigation…….seems they are just dancing around because they know they fucked up!
January 6, 2016 at 10:45 am
I am pretty certain the bystanders were the Westmans. The witness saw no other cars there so these people had to have been on foot, nobody’s likely to be out walking that time of night round there so it had to be someone from around the scene. I guess there is a possibility they were dog walkers but she saw no dog. Also if the bystanders were people unknown, that’s 2 other people to keep silent all these 12, long years.
January 6, 2016 at 2:23 pm
I have just been rereading the jurisdiction post after writing my previous comment…Were the ladies within earshot that came forward actually the bystanders?
January 6, 2016 at 5:37 pm
Possible. Most of these people are still willing to talk, I hope.
January 6, 2016 at 6:51 pm
Agreed, they talked before. The specifics of that conversation could be very interesting. It’s a big ask for them to remember that level of detail after 12 years though.
January 8, 2016 at 2:56 am
The article says the Saturn ended up facing East in the Westbound lane. This, I believe, is incorrect. Ive also seen that stated in other places if memory serves. To be clear it is pretty well confirmed that Mauras vehicle was indeed facing West in the Eastbound lane (on the weathered barn side, ACROSS from the Westmans), correct? This is a basic fact that sometimes gets twisted online even if it started with a geographically challenged reporter or a typo someplace. Just trying to point out the error so nobody is misinformed.
The Champy stuff is interesting, not discounting anything but the “he was bragging about it” ie doing something to Maura??? and “he has not been seen in the area since the incident” does not make sense to me. How can this connected person in question allegedly associated w/the A-Frame house be bragging about being involved in Mauras demise if he left the area? Something is off with the way this appears in print maybe not necessarily with that Champy says or implies. Just my .02
January 8, 2016 at 8:15 am
The Saturn was found disabled headed WESTBOUND in the EASTBOUND lane. I think it is saying that He left town after the incident at the WBC.
January 8, 2016 at 12:46 pm
John, we know that Dick Guy’s observations are contrary to the official record. Specifically, were there tire skid marks consistent with the swerving of the vehicle? I also just learned that one of the front tires was flat.
Net: Is it possible MM was driving west? Any evidence to support this?
Per Chris Ander’s post: Who was the couple acting weird while the case developed, the couple at The A-frame House, The Forciers, or both?
What’s up with the information that a West Point professor’s wife got a bad vibe when talking to Forcier in one of the earlier foot searches? Forcier ain’t an albino as she described, did he have a co-worker at the time working with him that fit that description?
One more thing on Forcier: We know LE searched his trailer once he finished his house because they couldn’t secure a search warrant via probable cause, so they waited until it was off his property because then they could legally search it. They found nothing. So, obviously, Forcier was an early suspect because his story changed after TWO interviews in the first two weeks. So what if they found nothing in the trailer. There’s still the house, the property, and oh, turns out he has other property via his family on Bradley Hill Road. AND … turns out he had “hunting” property in PA that he sold shortly after MM’s disappearance. I don’t have anything else on this last tidbit, so it could be rumor. I don’t really buy his ex-wife’s bombshell that he did it, but it’s mighty suspicious and somebody’s character is wanting, we just don’t know whose.</>
January 8, 2016 at 1:10 pm
I think the flat tire happened after the car had sat idle for some time. I do remember seeing it flat at the Troop F barracks but IF I remember it was not flat at lavoie’s.
I do feel it is possible the Saturn could have been heading West but not bc she had come from Lincoln/93 but that maybe she went past where the Saturn was located and turned around to head back in the westerly direction. Not sure on this but it could fit in.
Forcier brought LE upon himself by not coming forward about his sighting until 2 1/2 months after the fact and then said when He did come home that night he did not see any LE, EMS or FD at the scene. According to his own statements he places himself arriving home at just about 8 pm and there is NO WAY he could have missed the lights and commotion. Strange.
Forcier did own hunting property in PA and sold that property in about 2009 0r 2010. This is approx. sale time.
I take the Ex wifes story to be very interesting and do know her personally and trust her sincerity about what she is saying. Is it viable as a solution to this case….I have NO IDEA..!
January 8, 2016 at 10:31 am
The Champy stuff is interesting…………..I’d be interested in knowing what the girlfriend looked like. Any chance she has black hair below the shoulders?
January 8, 2016 at 10:34 am
January 8, 2016 at 1:36 pm
the guy and his girlfriend that were acting strangely after the incident. The ones related to the man who turned over the knife. I was referring to her.
January 8, 2016 at 1:38 pm
Oh Yes…..Skye,17 yrs old and she was a cute little brunette just about Maura’s size.
January 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Would Butch have known Skye? VERY interesting …
January 8, 2016 at 1:53 pm
That is possible……But Sgt. Cecil Smith did and very well I might add.
January 8, 2016 at 1:51 pm
If the guy and his girlfriend were acting together and an attack on Maura happened. Is it possible that the girlfriend was behind the wheel and disposing of the vehicle. Could she have passed for Maura? Far fetched but anything is up for grabs in this case. Quickly gone after the fact. The doubt from Butch Atwood that it was Maura. Butch also said the the girl appeared cold and shaking. Cold or scared?
January 8, 2016 at 1:55 pm
YES…..she could have passed for Maura.
January 8, 2016 at 2:01 pm
Is there a decent picture of Skye anywhere? Perhaps … mug shot?
January 8, 2016 at 2:09 pm
I have never seen a pix of Skye…..I interviewed her way back in 2005 in Bradford VT. She had a baby when I spoke with her.
Maybe Facebook would be a place to start but i have not looked recently.
January 8, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Found her and yes could easily be mistaken for Maura. there is a pic of her with her hair down and her hair up.
January 8, 2016 at 2:15 pm
Can ya send a link please and thank You
January 8, 2016 at 2:38 pm
January 8, 2016 at 2:56 pm
Yes….That is her.
January 8, 2016 at 3:46 pm
I’m speechless. The resemblance is absolutely stunning. WOW. This gal is far closer to MM’s visage than anything dug up online. Look at her hair, profile shots, shoulder-length hair. While she a bit more unkempt than MM, this gal is a dead-ringer.
John, what did she offer in that interview? What did she sound like? Have you heard what MM sounded like? Was Butch asked this?
Have their whereabouts that day been verified? Hmmm … lemme guess!
January 8, 2016 at 3:51 pm
Back when i met her in ’05 she was stunningly beautiful. She was not very talkative at all though, very timid and shy, she seemed like a lost child to me. She was only 18 when i spoke with her. My best guess is that she was mentally and physically abused by Moulton. jmho
And……NO NO NO to all the other questions.
January 8, 2016 at 3:56 pm
Well and then there is Jessica that back in ’04 was a doppelganger. And Jess is kinda right in the middle of this case. She stated in a bar one night that her ex BF had something to do with Maura’s demise.
January 8, 2016 at 4:03 pm
Figures … at first I thought an audio comparison of their voices would be fruitful. Of course, the last guy to “see” her is dead and his wife never met her. Plus if Skye is soft-spoken, she’d probably even sound like MM.
If all this is true, I doubt she was abducted at the scene. Possible, but it’s more likely it happened back on Sweetwater, closer to where Moulton lived.
At first I was thinking RF because the scent stops there. Butch couldn’t have done it without incriminating himself.
I’m wondering exactly who Moulton played host to while he lived there.
January 8, 2016 at 10:51 pm
“Well and then there is Jessica that back in ’04 was a doppelganger. And Jess is kinda right in the middle of this case.”
Who is Jessica Chernicki?
January 8, 2016 at 12:29 pm
Kate had shoulder-length hair at the time, yes.
The grocery clerk who came forward again Dec a year ago confirmed that the three girls in the store strongly resembled Kate, Sarah and Maura. They bought smokes there and Maura tried to look inconspicuous.
January 8, 2016 at 12:34 pm
Further, I’ve long thought Kate and Sarah’s faces should be included in posters in this case. It’s possible that the grocery clerk’s observations were correct. Hey, you never know.
January 8, 2016 at 12:59 pm
I think that would confuse the issue……jmho
January 8, 2016 at 1:09 pm
Butch’s widow may be able to clue us in who was driving the Saturn. No doubt Butch agonized over this with her to the grave.
January 8, 2016 at 12:53 pm
I agree…..IF this information can be trusted then I think it is a good possibility that it could have been either of the other 2 girls behind the wheel of the Saturn at the WBC.
And could also explain the dismissal of Atwood by the driver in such haste. Plus We have the instantaneous vanishing of a human being right in front of Faith Westman and even possibly Tim as well.
January 8, 2016 at 2:46 pm
The guy Claude Moulton worked as a truck driver that hauled crushed cars, scrap metals and tires. I am being sarcastic here when I say maybe Westman wasn’t far off with his statement. “She will never be found”
January 8, 2016 at 2:57 pm
There was a rumor about that happening.!!!!
January 8, 2016 at 9:23 am
On a Psychic note. For those that remember the psychic that drew the picture, said the name Ben, lake tar and there was something like an eagle on the jacket of the man that took Maura. This SOCO article mentions a rumor about a man from Loon Mtn the same place Champy worked. The Loon Mtn. Logo/emblem is a LOON as in the bird. Go check it out for those who put any stock in psychics. I personally think there are a few out there that are for real but not many.
January 8, 2016 at 12:32 pm
The Glynn Bros supposedly worked at Loon Mtn but rumor has it they didn’t report that night. They seemed to do odd jobs there including plowing. Nothing to plow that night. The main brother in this is Walter.
Also worth noting is they at the time owned a Red Truck …
January 8, 2016 at 12:58 pm
Yes the Glynn brothers are pretty much lowlifes that take advantage of others and have a reputation around town. They scammed a co. I worked for back in 2005 for about $3000.00 worth of construction and carpentry tools. That money was never recovered as were none of the items.
Walter and his brother Michael even threatened me at that workplace when they came there to try and rent equipment.
These guys are nothing more than punk ass rednecks with no good intentions. jmho
January 8, 2016 at 1:11 pm
Did LE ever talk to them?
January 8, 2016 at 1:34 pm
We do not know…!!!
January 8, 2016 at 9:47 am
A lot of good stuff to debate in this article but one thing that appears minor on the surface that I think is more important. Any thoughts on this? I mentioned before that CS had to have something of Maura’s early on that identified her height for the orginal BOL within minutes of him arriving on the scene. The witness that saw the car door open confirms CS was in the car and what has your height on it but your license. Now in this article it mentions that Fred was not left a message until Tuesday afternoon and it was later than that when Maura’s sister was notified and called Fred. The Second BOLO was put out on Tuesday prior to any contact with the family. That BOLO has her name as well as her DOB. Where did that info come from. License!! It didn’t come from running the plate. That was in Fred’s name. It has to be her license and the reason this is so important is that you are not going to leave your license behind under any circumstances other than foul play. You think your in trouble for DUI you grab your shit and go. Either the license is in her wallet and she left her wallet. Not happening. FOUL PLAY. or the License is loose in the car and left behind. Not Happening FOUL PLAY. This means that Cecil Smith should have known right from the start this was not a normal car accident. thoughts?
January 8, 2016 at 9:54 am
Great catch Les…..
We have been saying this since the beginning that LE must have something else to identify Maura by other than the description by Atwood. Something is very stinky in Haverhill, NH
January 8, 2016 at 12:51 pm
I think it must first be confirmed what can be gathered by plate check and/or a ViN check. Don’t forget too that most people keep their vehicle registration in the glove box along with emissions statements (if MA has such), so a name could be found that way. The basics were provided by Butch, so he could’ve given a rough height and certainly race. Eyes? No.
January 8, 2016 at 1:13 pm
But the car was registered to Fred Murray.
And Haverhill police even said something to the effect ‘we were not sure who was driving, Fred Murray is the owner’
I find this hard to believe IF Atwood’s story is to believed.
Further, yes, the vehicle check would have Fred’s name on it, BUT there’s the college parking pass right on the shield. Some further checking and that’s another way her name could have been found.
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January 8, 2016 at 1:17 pm
But these guys basically didn’t do a fucking thing on this case for 3 to 4 days later. They made a few phone calls and accepted some faxes. They did not even go back to the scene and talk to more neighbors or even look around for Maura. They ‘DROPPED THE BALL’…..Was it on purpose..?
Other than that it was weeks later before most neighbors had been talked to and some have never been spoken to. That is just plain odd.
January 8, 2016 at 1:26 pm
How busy is it there? The complaint all around is “not enough resources”. Human? Financial?
Or does it interfere with drinking on the job? LOL!!!
Could Skye and Moulton have been doing the same thing with Brianna’s car?
January 8, 2016 at 4:00 pm
I do not know. Remember Brianna’s case is about 80 miles from NH where the Saturn was found.
January 8, 2016 at 10:53 pm
From what I’ve read and it’s little, the two cases don’t seem to have as much in common as scene circumstances suggest. The cops have homed in on some scumbag friends she hung out with. All things are still possible though. Another case celebrating a putrid anniversary soon.
January 8, 2016 at 8:40 pm
In this Soco article on page 81 last column, Champy says that Moulton and a male friend did snowplowing in the area and strangely neither of them have been seen in Haverhill since Maura’s disappearance. Who is the other man she is talking about? Does anyone know?
January 8, 2016 at 8:44 pm
I am nor sure who the friend was. I am still trying to gain another interview with Susan to clear all this up.
January 8, 2016 at 10:56 pm
Two Cap’n Obvious questions: What did Moulton drive? Did RO describe The Red Truck with a plow? I don’t remember that, so I’m just picking at scabs again.
January 8, 2016 at 11:50 pm
Yes and to further add to what les1961 said, why would a drivers license be separate from a wallet or purse or both? Whats the first thing most people reach for when they know they are encountering LE?
January 9, 2016 at 8:52 am
MAYBE THIS WOULD EXPLAIN THE 1ST ACCIDENT ON SWIFTWATER RD. AND HOW LE COULD HAVE HER INFO OR EVEN THE LICENSE FROM THE 1ST INCIDENT.
January 9, 2016 at 10:40 am
I would like to see a picture of Claude Moulton. Where is he living in Maine? I could only find that he is in Vermont.
January 9, 2016 at 11:15 am
He lived in NH at the time and his step parents lived in Bradford VT. Claude worked for a Co. called Jet Star in haverhill that was a scrap yard/salvage business that also did business with a Co. in Maine called ‘Lincor’ see link.
I have never seen a pix of him anywhere…..not have i ever met him.
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